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Toyota engineers convicted of stealing secrets from Ferrari.

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cuhulin@webtv.net - 25 Apr 2007 19:58 GMT
I just now read about that at,    www.autoblog.com
According to the article,some people at Ferrari stold some secrets from
Maranello and they are accused of giving the secrets to rivals at Toyota
F1.
cuhulin
Tegger - 25 Apr 2007 22:38 GMT
cuhulin@webtv.net wrote in news:21128-462FA4E5-132@storefull-
3253.bay.webtv.net:

> I just now read about that at,    www.autoblog.com
> According to the article,some people at Ferrari stold some secrets from
> Maranello and they are accused of giving the secrets to rivals at Toyota
> F1.

In your subject line you say they are Toyota engineers.

However, in the body of your message you say they are "people at Ferrari"
who gave the stuff to "rivals at Toyota".

Which is it?

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Rodan - 26 Apr 2007 01:43 GMT
Re: Toyota engineers convicted of stealing secrets from Ferrari.

cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

According to an article at  www.autoblog.com   some
people at Ferrari stole secrets from Maranello and they
are accused of giving the secrets to rivals at Toyota.
________________________________________________

Your subject line says they are Toyota engineers but the
body of your message says they are "people at Ferrari"
who gave the stuff to "rivals at Toyota".     Which is it?
_______________________________________________

I don't know, but as soon as the stolen technology is
incorporated  I'm buying myself a Toyota Testa Rossa.

Rodan.
Tegger - 26 Apr 2007 02:41 GMT
>>>   Re: Toyota engineers convicted of stealing secrets from Ferrari.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I don't know, but as soon as the stolen technology is
> incorporated  I'm buying myself a Toyota Testa Rossa.

Has Toyota ever actually made a car whose Testa was Rossa?

Hey Ray O, you've seen a 2000GT, have you not? What color was its Testa?

(BTW, "Testa" means "head", for those not Pasta-literate...)

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cuhulin@webtv.net - 26 Apr 2007 03:05 GMT
I didn't write the article I saw at   www.autoblog.com   I only passed
on part of the article I had read in the article.I did read the entire
article too.However,auto companies spying on other auto companies and
stealing secrets certainly isn't anything new.That sort of thing has
been going for many years.
cuhulin
cuhulin@webtv.net - 26 Apr 2007 03:10 GMT
If I may Quote the great Bard,Will Rogers?
All I Know is What I Read in the Papers.
Unquote.
cuhulin
Paul Hovnanian P.E. - 26 Apr 2007 04:10 GMT
> I just now read about that at,    www.autoblog.com
> According to the article,some people at Ferrari stold some secrets from
                                                 ^^^^^
                                              Stole? Sold?

> Maranello and they are accused of giving the secrets to rivals at Toyota
> F1.
> cuhulin

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Steve - 26 Apr 2007 15:28 GMT
> I just now read about that at,    www.autoblog.com
> According to the article,some people at Ferrari stold some secrets from
> Maranello and they are accused of giving the secrets to rivals at Toyota
> F1.
> cuhulin

And Bill Davis Racing lost all factory support (and had to settle an
ugly lawsuit) from Dodge Motorsports a few years ago for transferring
Dodge NASCAR engine tech to Toyota's NASCAR Truck Series program.

Its called "industrial espionage" and it happens a lot more often than
most people think.
cuhulin@webtv.net - 26 Apr 2007 16:23 GMT
So,I did a devilfinder.com for, Toyota engineers convicted for stealing
Ferrari secrets

There are some interesting articles in there if you want to look for
them.Just pick and choose.
cuhulin
HLS@nospam.nix - 29 Apr 2007 12:50 GMT
> Its called "industrial espionage" and it happens a lot more often than
> most people think.

Indeed it does.    "Copy and steal" is a rather normal way of upgrading
one's technology.
Sometimes it is not even illegal.

With all due respect to the Italians, their cars are not, in general, what I
would want to
copy.

An Italian car, a cheating wife, and swollen hemorrhoids have some
characteristics in
common.
cuhulin@webtv.net - 29 Apr 2007 21:34 GMT
An Italian car,I can understand.A friend of mine,back in the 1970's,his
brother in law bought an old 1960's Alfa Romero car.I rmember one time
in his back yard he was trying to patch up the rusted out floor board
(it was a convertible/rag top car) with a torch and a piece of regular
lead.Of course,that didn't work out at all.
cuhulin
HLS@nospam.nix - 30 Apr 2007 13:23 GMT
> An Italian car,I can understand.A friend of mine,back in the 1970's,his
> brother in law bought an old 1960's Alfa Romero car.I rmember one time
> in his back yard he was trying to patch up the rusted out floor board
> (it was a convertible/rag top car) with a torch and a piece of regular
> lead.Of course,that didn't work out at all.
> cuhulin

A colleague and I rented an Alfa Romeo 156 a few years ago on a business
trip to Frankfurt.
This is not a sports model, but rather a normal sedan.  It had, perhaps, the
best road handling
and ride that I had ever experienced.  How long this car would have held
together would be
interesting, but they are not known for their long term durability.

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