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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / May 2007Florida: state inspection for cars?
Does Florida -- or any county within it -- have a state inspection of cars for safety and/or emissions at present (2007)? Considering moving there; thanks. As far as I know, we gave that up years ago....  SignatureCraigFL http://www.automotiveforums.com derf109@gmail.com wrote in article <1177908536.982799.192470@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>... > Does Florida -- or any county within it -- have a state inspection of > cars > for safety and/or emissions at present (2007)? > Considering moving there; thanks. The July 31, 2006 edition of the monthly trade publication "Tire Business" reported that only 18 states and the District of Columbia now do Periodic Mandatory Vehicle Inspections (PMVI). With Federal regulators often attempting to dictate certain aspects of the state-run, and state-funded PMVI programs, many states have found it impossible - or impractical - to keep up. Only three of the 18 programs are fully state-operated with state employees actually doing the inspections. The other 15 are "decentralized" with private shops licensed to perform the inspections - leading to what I consider a huge conflict of interest. "No sir! I'm not gonna' pass your car until you put ball joints in it." I suspect that those who still do it are only seeking the income - just like a crackdown on speeders coupled with an increase in fines, or through lobbying efforts from garage owner associations seeking to drive traffic into member shops. > I suspect that those who still do it are only seeking the income - > just like a crackdown on speeders coupled with an increase in fines, > or through lobbying efforts from garage owner associations seeking to > drive traffic into member shops. Or they are used-car dealers who love the idea that they can do their own inspections... SignatureTegger Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in article <Xns9922639BEC28Etegger@207.14.116.130>... > > I suspect that those who still do it are only seeking the income - > > just like a crackdown on speeders coupled with an increase in fines, > > or through lobbying efforts from garage owner associations seeking to > > drive traffic into member shops. > > Or they are used-car dealers who love the idea that they can do their own > inspections... If your state does PMVI, ask your legislator what sort of guarantee you get for the money you spend on PMVI. In my state, I can pay $12.50 for an inspection, have a new sticker attached, then go 500 feet down the road, have a bulb blow out, and receive a faulty equipment tag and fine. Imagine if you had a water pump replaced and it only lasted to the end of the road. The politicians would be in an uproar. I think state inspections should carry a minimum 30-day guarantee. > Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in article > <Xns9922639BEC28Etegger@207.14.116.130>... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > receive > a faulty equipment tag and fine. You could replace all the bulbs on your car every few years so you don't run into that problem ;) > Imagine if you had a water pump replaced and it only lasted to the end of > the road. The politicians would be in an uproar. Except for one small problem, you didn't get a bulb replaced you only had it inspected for proper operation. > I think state inspections should carry a minimum 30-day guarantee. And just what would you warranty ?? Any state inspection I have ever seen only checks lights and wear items. Mike <mik@localnet.com> wrote in article <55qZh.7560$B25.3603@news01.roc.ny>... > > Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in article > > <Xns9922639BEC28Etegger@207.14.116.130>... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > If your state does PMVI, ask your legislator what sort of guarantee you > > get > > for the money you spend on PMVI. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > And just what would you warranty ?? Any state inspection I have ever seen > only checks lights and wear items. What state are you talking about? Federal law requires ANY state that has a PMVI program to incorporate emissions testing as a part of that program - one of the MAJOR reasons why so many states have dropped their PMVI programs. If your state does not require it, it is in violation of Federal law. If your inspector does not do it, he is in violation of state PMVI law. On 5/1/07 7:15 AM, in article 01c78bea$31565ca0$ba94c3d8@race, "*" <nospam@this.addy.com> wrote: > Mike <mik@localnet.com> wrote in article > <55qZh.7560$B25.3603@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > If your inspector does not do it, he is in violation of state PMVI law. You sure about that law? I suspect its not that black and white. Texas only requires emissions testing in certain counties that don't meet air quality standards. > On 5/1/07 7:15 AM, in article 01c78bea$31565ca0$ba94c3d8@race, "*" > <nospam@this.addy.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > only requires emissions testing in certain counties that don't meet air > quality standards. No such law. The STATES determine what gets inspected and how. In some NY counties you have to have an enhanced emissions test (sniffer test run on a dyno) in others you only get a safety inspection and a low emissions test that is nothing more than a test of the OBDII system. If you pull in with the MIL light on you fail. SignatureSteve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan. > > On 5/1/07 7:15 AM, in article 01c78bea$31565ca0$ba94c3d8@race, "*" > > <nospam@this.addy.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > is nothing more than a test of the OBDII system. If you pull in with the > MIL light on you fail. Federal law requires states that run PMVI programs to do, at minimum, a *visual* inspection of emission control devices. Any obviously missing devices are supposed to cause rejection of the vehicle for a sticker. That's not to say that individual inspectors do not bother - which, in itself is yet another problem with PMVI....the inconsistencies. The Feds do NOT require hooking up and testing exhaust gases.....THAT's a whole 'nuther bureaucratic kickback scheme between states, equipment manufacturers and private inspection facility contractors - many of whom have been, literally, kicked out of several states....Maine is one who kicked out "CarTest", and I heard that they had been kicked out of another state or two.. The Feds wrote it up so that Federal highway funds could be withheld for states NOT incorporating such minimal emission control inspection, but a number of states figured out if they didn't HAVE a PMVI program, the Feds could not withhold highway money for not doing emission inspections. The article I mentioned above goes on to say that there were once 45 states with PMVI programs at its height, but that it started to slide downward in the 1990s - "Opposition to state inspection programs......crystalized in the mid- to late-'90s along with opposition to state vehicle emissions inspections." On Apr 30, 12:48 am, derf...@gmail.com wrote: > Does Florida -- or any county within it -- have a state inspection of > cars > for safety and/or emissions at present (2007)? > Considering moving there; thanks. They did a long time ago, but the only inspection they have now is that the the cops pull you over if they see something they don't like and give you a fixit ticket. Be advised, a large number of Florida drivers seem to be possessed by a unique variety of stupid. Besides the usual kamikazi motorcylists, pissed off at the world big rig drivers and a.shole tow truck operators with anger management issues, there's a large contingent of punk kids in these low-slung buzzmobiles who drive like they're on a LeMans track. Also a lot of geezers with sloth-like reflexes and senses working at 20% or less. Have fun! |
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