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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / May 2007

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stemotors - 15 May 2007 23:08 GMT
hi
i have a vw passat and i have a problem with the brakes, is there anyone
that can help?

With the car not running i can get a good solid pedal but if you start the
car the brake pedal will travel a lot more, if you pump the pedal it goes
solid but then slowly goes to the floor.

it started off having new brake pads all round and two new calipers on the
front and a piece of pipe cut out and replaced, then the problem started
after bleeding brakes again. so i replaced the master cylinder and it
still happens then i replaced the back brake calipers cause i seen fluid
on the piston, the problems still there so i asked a few people and they
said try changing the servo so i have and it still happens. I have bleed
the brakes over and over again, they dont seem to be loosing fluid, but
the pedal still slowly bleeds off.
has any one got any tips to help?
Nate Nagel - 16 May 2007 00:09 GMT
> hi
> i have a vw passat and i have a problem with the brakes, is there anyone
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> the pedal still slowly bleeds off.
> has any one got any tips to help?

Is the car equipped with ABS, and if so have you had the brakes bled
with a scan tool?

nate

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Comboverfish - 16 May 2007 01:57 GMT
> hi
> i have a vw passat and i have a problem with the brakes, is there anyone
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> the pedal still slowly bleeds off.
> has any one got any tips to help?

The brake pedal slowly going to the floor sounds like a master
cylinder piston bypassing fluid.  I read where you said you replaced
it, but that is the most common cause of your complaint, so I thought
I would mention it.  The test is to apply *light* pressure to the
pedal and see if it sinks, then apply firm pressure and see if it
holds any better.  If both of those statements hold true, the cause is
usually internal MC leakage.

Mentioning the year and what engine, trans, ABS or not, etc. might
yield a better answer.

If you are getting air in your system after the initial pad and
caliper replacement, you may have a poorly remanufacturered caliper /
piston seal that is sucking air during pedal release.  This process
can take a long time to get even a small amount of air in the system,
and can be nearly impossible to test.  It may require eliminating all
other possibilities before condemning a caliper.  Most rebuilt stuff
on the market is of questionable material and workmanship.  Higher
failure rates are going to be the norm when you are buying a typical
loaded caliper for ~ $50 to $80.

Toyota MDT in MO
Noozer - 16 May 2007 14:42 GMT
> With the car not running i can get a good solid pedal but if you start the
> car the brake pedal will travel a lot more, if you pump the pedal it goes
> solid but then slowly goes to the floor.
>
> it started off having new brake pads all round and two new calipers on the
> front and a piece of pipe cut out and replaced,

You don't cut out pieces of brake line, you replace the whole line.

Who did the work???
Comboverfish - 16 May 2007 17:52 GMT
> > With the car not running i can get a good solid pedal but if you start the
> > car the brake pedal will travel a lot more, if you pump the pedal it goes
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Who did the work???

That was a little disconcerting to me as well.  I figured that
something got lost in the translation, i.e. a complete piece of pipe
was relaced, but the OP didn't see it done and assumed that the
process was a cut and splice affair.  If his description is literal,
then oh boy...  one must wonder if the problem is self-induced.

Toyota MDT in MO
 
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