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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / August 2007

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'97 jeep wrangler hesitation in the morning...

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Nate - 29 May 2007 21:57 GMT
1997 Jeep Wrangler SE
4 cyl, 2.5L, 5 spd, 87K miles

It seems every other time I start my 97 wrangler after sitting over
night or longer, I get erratic idling at startup and the first time I
shift into 2nd gear when taking off, i get a hesitation and loss of
power for about 2-3 seconds.. then the power kicks back in and it runs
fine the rest of the day.  Any opinions/ideas regarding what might be
causing this would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Nate
Scrapper - 29 May 2007 23:01 GMT
have you tried puting in some sea foam in your gas?
whens the last time you done a une up??

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rec tech - 30 May 2007 03:48 GMT
On May 29, 5:01 pm, Scrapper <Scrapper.2rd...@no-mx.nodomain.com>
wrote:
> have you tried puting in some sea foam in your gas?
> whens the last time you done a une up??
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just added fuel system cleaner but no sea foam specifically.  i'm not
sure when the last tuneup was performed.. just purchased the jeep 3
weeks ago.  do you suggest changing plugs, wires, etc..?
Mike Romain - 30 May 2007 15:18 GMT
> 1997 Jeep Wrangler SE
> 4 cyl, 2.5L, 5 spd, 87K miles
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> Nate

If it has a cap and rotor I would start there, then I would check the
plugs out.

One check for leaky wires is to spray mist the plug wires with water in
the dark to see if you get a light show.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
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rec tech - 02 Jul 2007 14:12 GMT
Changed out the plugs, wires, cap, & rotor.  Still have the problem on
occasion.  When I first purchased the vehicle, I swapped out the air
filter with a fram air filter.  I wouldn't think this would cause the
problem, but I don't recall having the problem before I changed the
air filter.  Unfortunately, I just thought of it now..  thoughts?  The
air filter looks clean.

Nate

> > 1997 Jeep Wrangler SE
> > 4 cyl, 2.5L, 5 spd, 87K miles
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Mike Romain - 03 Jul 2007 14:33 GMT
I would take some spray electronic contact cleaner and open and spray
down the connection on the throttle body.  There is an idle control and
a throttle position sensor there that can and do get dirty connections
and can cause strange cold running issues first, then get worse.

There is also a CPS on the top drivers side bell housing that also can
get a dirty connection, but that one, when dirty usually causes stalls.

Mike

> Changed out the plugs, wires, cap, & rotor.  Still have the problem on
> occasion.  When I first purchased the vehicle, I swapped out the air
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rec tech - 03 Jul 2007 16:27 GMT
Will do that.  Thanks for the tip.  I'll follow up here if it fixes
the problem.

> I would take some spray electronic contact cleaner and open and spray
> down the connection on the throttle body.  There is an idle control and
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rec tech - 08 Jul 2007 01:23 GMT
followed your advice.  seemed to run fine for a while but today when I
took it out, i started off it lost most of it's power, knocked 3 or 4
times, then we were good to go again.  drove fine the rest of the
trip.  i think this is the first time i have ever heard knocking...

> Will do that.  Thanks for the tip.  I'll follow up here if it fixes
> the problem.
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rec tech - 08 Jul 2007 01:34 GMT
maybe i shouldn't have said "knock".. maybe it was a misfire... sound
was like boom boom boom..then it started running ok again when i got
off then gas waiting a second or two, then accelerated again.

> followed your advice.  seemed to run fine for a while but today when I
> took it out, i started off it lost most of it's power, knocked 3 or 4
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Mike Romain - 08 Jul 2007 15:11 GMT
The fact it changes after a simple connection clean implies maybe more
sensors also need a clean or maybe a different cleaning solution is
needed to me.

Mike

> followed your advice.  seemed to run fine for a while but today when I
> took it out, i started off it lost most of it's power, knocked 3 or 4
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Jamie Mello - 08 Jul 2007 16:37 GMT
Sounds like fuel problem to me have you check your fuel filter?
Mike Romain - 08 Jul 2007 17:12 GMT
> Sounds like fuel problem to me have you check your fuel filter?

Not many folks want to drop the fuel tank and replace the pump and
filter unit just for a wild guess that doesn't match the symptoms.

Bad fuel pump filter mean no top end normally.....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
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Jamie Mello - 09 Jul 2007 21:41 GMT
It was not a guess I have a old mercedes I been working on for the
last few years and it use to take 30 secs to a 1 minute before it will
fully start up and the problem was the fuel filter and it starts right
up and it has a lot more power I did not know the fuel filter was in
that bad of shape. Sorry if I gave any of you the wrong idea Thanks
Jamie
rec tech - 19 Jul 2007 18:29 GMT
It's my understanding that the 97 wranglers have the filter built into
the fuel tank.. so yea, it would be a bigger undertaking than usual to
swap out the filter on the jeep.. otherwise I probably would do that.

Hey Larry.. that is exactly what I do to quickly fix the issue..
otherwise i just wait about 5 seconds and things clear up and i'm ok.
If you have been working on this for at least 5 yrs.. I'm not too
confident that I will fix the issue now.. darn.  I'll keep trying
things and post if I do find out something.

What do you guys think about a bad (or going bad) oxygen sensor?  How
about a bad fuel pump?  I wouldn't know how to test either
one..probably would have to take it in.

Thanks,
Nate

> It was not a guess I have a old mercedes I been working on for the
> last few years and it use to take 30 secs to a 1 minute before it will
> fully start up and the problem was the fuel filter and it starts right
> up and it has a lot more power I did not know the fuel filter was in
> that bad of shape. Sorry if I gave any of you the wrong idea Thanks
> Jamie
rec tech - 19 Jul 2007 18:42 GMT
Do you think there is a TSB out on this.. i know I have heard of the
same problem from quite a few people.  No solutions yet though.

> It was not a guess I have a old mercedes I been working on for the
> last few years and it use to take 30 secs to a 1 minute before it will
> fully start up and the problem was the fuel filter and it starts right
> up and it has a lot more power I did not know the fuel filter was in
> that bad of shape. Sorry if I gave any of you the wrong idea Thanks
> Jamie
kg7rq1@centurytel.net - 08 Jul 2007 08:39 GMT
> 1997 Jeep Wrangler SE
> 4 cyl, 2.5L, 5 spd, 87K miles
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> Nate

Hi Nate.... I have had the same issue with my 97 TJ with the 4.0.  It
comes and goes and I've never found the problem yet.  The quick work
around on my TJ has been to put the clutch  in ... rev the engine a
bit and you are good to go for the day.  No real help I realize but it
gets around the issue.  I've been looking for the problem for over 5
yrs.  Good luck!!

Larry
migilin - 19 Jul 2007 21:44 GMT
Hey did you ever fixed this problem?

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rec tech - 22 Jul 2007 20:41 GMT
nope, not yet!

> Hey did you ever fixed this problem?
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Jamie Mello - 17 Aug 2007 07:57 GMT
You you could always take your Jeep in to a shop. That is what I had
to do when the death wobble got to bad even for me. That has to bad
to.

99 wrangler TJ 2.5 lift 31 inch Good year MTR tires and a ton of
lights
Warn M8000 winch and more toys to come.

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Some people have an addiction to drugs....
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