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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / June 2007

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z - 07 Jun 2007 21:41 GMT
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First nuclear submarine U.S.S. Nautilus visits Seattle and crew
secretly buys Bar's Leak on June 3, 1958.

On June 3, 1958, the U.S.S. Nautilus, the world's first nuclear
submarine, visits Everett and Seattle. In Seattle, crewmen dressed in
civilian clothing secretly buy 140 quarts of the automotive product
Bar's Leak (originally identified as Stop Leak -- see comment in
Sources below) to repair a leaking condenser system. The Nautilus is
enroute to the North Pole on a Top Secret mission to cross the North
Pole submerged.

The Nautilus was commissioned in 1954 and featured a nuclear power
plant instead of the usual combination of diesel engines and battery-
powered electric motors. The Nautilus was capable of remaining
underwater without the necessity of surfacing to recharge the
batteries and without refueling. U.S. Navy leaders realized the
military importance of the Arctic Ocean in the Cold War. The Arctic is
covered with ice year round, but navigation under the ice was a
possibility. The Nautilus was ordered to transit the North Pole
underwater in a Top Secret mission dubbed Operation Sunshine.

On June 2, 1958, the Nautilus arrived in Everett and spent the night
there. The following day, with a load of dignitaries and journalists,
the submarine ran to Seattle and docked at Pier 91. A leaking
condenser unit threatened the secret mission to the North Pole, but
security concerns and time precluded repairs through the usual
channels. Experts hit on the idea of using Bar's Leak, an automotive
stop-leak product developed for leaking radiators.

Commander William Anderson ordered crewmen to change into civilian
clothing. The men fanned out across Seattle in taxicabs to buy cans of
Bar's Leak at local service stations.

The sailors in mufti returned with 140 quarts of Bar's Leak, half of
which was poured into the condenser. The leak stopped.

Just after midnight on June 9, 1958, the Nautilus cast off and headed
north. While running on the surface in Puget Sound, the crew painted
out the large numbers on the sail (conning tower) and the bow to
conceal the sub's identity.

In the Chukchi Sea, Commander Anderson ran into heavy ice and a
shallow bottom (at the time the floor of the Arctic was not mapped),
and broke off the mission. Later in the summer, the Nautilus
successfully crossed the Arctic, completely under water.

The event received worldwide publicity and changed the complexion of
the Cold War. The crew was celebrated with a tickertape parade in New
York City and President Dwight D. Eisenhower awarded the Nautilus the
Presidential Unit Citation. Commander Anderson revealed the Seattle
episode in his book Nautilus -90- North, published the following
year.

The condenser unit aboard the Nautilus never leaked again.

Sources:
Commander William R. Anderson with Clay Blair Jr., Nautilus 90 North
(Cleveland and New York: The World Publishing Co., 1959), pp. 133-137;
Commander William R. Anderson with Clay Blair Jr., Nautilus 90 North
(New York: The New American Library, 1959), 89-90; Clayton Parks, of
Bar's Products to David Wilma, Deputy Director, www.historylink.org,
email communication, April 8, 2003; Henry Londean, "Sub Nautilus Here
On Last Year's 'Gas,'" Seattle Post-Intelligencer, June 4, 1958, p.
30. Note: In the hardcover first printing of his book, Commander
Anderson named the product in question Stop Leak. In the subsequent
New American Library (Signet Key Book) paperback edition, he corrected
the name of the product to Bar's Leak. The firm Bar's Products
produces Bar's Leak. By David Wilma, April 2, 2002
Corrected April 9, 2003
Kjun - 07 Jun 2007 20:06 GMT
z <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:1181248909.367398.291850
@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=3739
> First nuclear submarine U.S.S. Nautilus visits Seattle and crew
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
> produces Bar's Leak. By David Wilma, April 2, 2002
> Corrected April 9, 2003

well, it was a wonderful story...and you told it so well!
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cuhulin@webtv.net - 07 Jun 2007 22:41 GMT
Bar's Leak does work for small leaks.So does a bunch of other
thingys.household thingys too.I don't think it is a permanent repair
though.
cuhulin
Brent P - 07 Jun 2007 23:10 GMT
> submarine, visits Everett and Seattle. In Seattle, crewmen dressed in
> civilian clothing secretly buy 140 quarts of the automotive product
> Bar's Leak (originally identified as Stop Leak -- see comment in
> Sources below) to repair a leaking condenser system. The Nautilus is
> enroute to the North Pole on a Top Secret mission to cross the North
> Pole submerged.

Nobody said it doesn't stop leaks. It's that it can cause other problems
like reducing the cooling system's ability to keep the engine from
getting too hot.
dahpater - 07 Jun 2007 23:58 GMT
> In article <1181248909.367398.291...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, z wrote:
> > submarine, visits Everett and Seattle. In Seattle, crewmen dressed in
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> like reducing the cooling system's ability to keep the engine from
> getting too hot.

(> ...like reducing the cooling system's ability to keep the engine
from
> getting too hot.)

LOL. When you think you've heard it all !!!
Brent P - 08 Jun 2007 00:02 GMT
>> In article <1181248909.367398.291...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, z wrote:
>> > submarine, visits Everett and Seattle. In Seattle, crewmen dressed in
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> LOL. When you think you've heard it all !!!

You have a serious malfunction. Where do you think the rest of the stop
leak ends up? It can end up coating the passages in the radiator, in the
block, in the heads, etc. This in turn reduces the heat transfer to the
coolant and the heat transfer from the coolant to the air.
Nate Nagel - 08 Jun 2007 00:06 GMT
>>In article <1181248909.367398.291...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, z wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> LOL. When you think you've heard it all !!!

You're not actually sayind that Brent's statement isn't 100% technically
accurate, are you?  Because it is.

nate

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cuhulin@webtv.net - 08 Jun 2007 00:44 GMT
I think it was back in the 1970s when I read in a car magazine that some
car manufacturers put some Bar's Leak (or similar product) in every car
that rolls out the factory doors.
cuhulin
Nate Nagel - 08 Jun 2007 01:09 GMT
> I think it was back in the 1970s when I read in a car magazine that some
> car manufacturers put some Bar's Leak (or similar product) in every car
> that rolls out the factory doors.
> cuhulin

Pretty sure that was GM, in the 4100 Caddy motor.  They were pellets
with a GM part number but it wouldn't surprise me if it was Bar's Leak
with a new label slapped on the package.

nate

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Steve B. - 08 Jun 2007 05:05 GMT
>Pretty sure that was GM, in the 4100 Caddy motor.  They were pellets
>with a GM part number but it wouldn't surprise me if it was Bar's Leak
>with a new label slapped on the package.
>
>nate

You are correct.  The 4100,4500 4.9 and early NorthStars use this. One
of the big problems with the 4100 was that people didn't use the
tablets as directed.

These engines don't use the gloppy stuff though, they use the tablets
that are basically made of ginger.  Bars Leak has a similar product
http://www.barsproducts.com/HDC.htm

            Steve B.
Comboverfish - 08 Jun 2007 12:45 GMT
> You are correct.  The 4100,4500 4.9 and early NorthStars use this. One
> of the big problems with the 4100 was that people didn't use the
> tablets as directed.

...much like with pain killers.

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