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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / July 2007New spark plugs on the market.
I was looking through my July 2007 Popular Mechanics magazine which I received in my snail mail a couple of weeks ago.A big two page ad about the new spark plugs. www.pulstarplug.com Also, in my snail mail this morning is an O'Reilly auto parts flyer.Measure & Charge Refrigerant and Oil.Contains refrigerant,oil and stop leak.19 ounzes. INT MAC134 $19.95 cuhulin >I was looking through my July 2007 Popular Mechanics magazine which I >received in my snail mail a couple of weeks ago.A big two page ad about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >flyer.Measure & Charge Refrigerant and Oil.Contains refrigerant,oil and >stop leak. The stop-leak is an excellent way to destroy a $2000 or more refrigerant recycling/charging station if the vehicle's AC is ever professionally serviced and the tech is not on his toes. Not really that good for your AC system either. Don www.donsautomotive.com >19 ounzes. INT MAC134 $19.95 >cuhulin My old van has AC.Just roll the windows down. Those new spark plugs, about 15 years ago I bought a new set of Splitfire spark plugs for my van.Within a few miles one of them quit working.I replaced it with one of the old regular spark plugs.Two days later another one of those Splitfire spark plugs quit working.Ever since then, I am very leery of new fangled spark plugs.I don't think I want to try out any pulstar spark plugs.Autolite AP 64 spark plugs are the best for my old van. cuhulin > The stop-leak is an excellent way to destroy a $2000 or more > refrigerant recycling/charging station if the vehicle's AC is ever > professionally serviced and the tech is not on his toes. How exactly would a reputable servicer handle this (other than telling the customer to get lost)?  SignatureWe can't possibly imprison 300 million Americans for not paying their taxes, so let's grant all of them amnesty NOW! >> The stop-leak is an excellent way to destroy a $2000 or more >> refrigerant recycling/charging station if the vehicle's AC is ever >> professionally serviced and the tech is not on his toes. > > How exactly would a reputable servicer handle this (other than telling > the customer to get lost)? I'd like to know this as well... I'm looking to do a quick fix on my A/C and was considering stop leak with dye alongside a can of refrigerant. > > The stop-leak is an excellent way to destroy a $2000 or more > > refrigerant recycling/charging station if the vehicle's AC is ever > > professionally serviced and the tech is not on his toes. > > How exactly would a reputable servicer handle this (other than telling > the customer to get lost)? Explain their options and the cost of those options. I received a Fred's dollar store flyer in my snail mail this morning.One of the ads is about, Premium Refrigerant with Stop Leak and hose.12.3 ounces.$8.99.Maybe Fred's has a website, (I didn't see a Fred's website in my Fred's flyer) if you want to check it out. cuhulin > I received a Fred's dollar store flyer in my snail mail this morning.One > of the ads is about, Premium Refrigerant with Stop Leak and hose.12.3 > ounces.$8.99.Maybe Fred's has a website, (I didn't see a Fred's website > in my Fred's flyer) if you want to check it out. > cuhulin Are you replying to me? Any stop leak , sealer or seal sweller installed in an automotive AC system is asking for disaster. Once that crap is in there, the system is considered a total loss. No professional in their right mind would touch such a system until everything has been replaced. The hacks will do differently no doubt... > clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:> >> > The stop-leak is an excellent way to destroy a $2000 or more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Explain their options and the cost of those options. What might those options be? SignatureWe can't possibly imprison 300 million Americans for not paying their taxes, so let's grant all of them amnesty NOW! > > clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:> > >> > The stop-leak is an excellent way to destroy a $2000 or more [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What might those options be? 1) Dispose of vehicle in favor of one with a functioning AC system that has not been contaminated/ butchered. 2) Replace every AC component, add proper oil charge, evacuate, recharge with proper refrigerant. 3) Live with no AC. >> > clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:> >> >> > The stop-leak is an excellent way to destroy a $2000 or more [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > 2) Replace every AC component, add proper oil charge, evacuate, > recharge with proper refrigerant. Which brings us around to the original question again: how would a reputable servicer handle this, i.e. evacuate the system? It could ruin a recovery station, and it can't be vented to atmosphere. I know, a slightly less reputable servicer might, ah, find a slow leak around an O-ring or fitting somewhere and tell the customer to come back in a week. But the question is about a reputable servicer. SignatureWe can't possibly imprison 300 million Americans for not paying their taxes, so let's grant all of them amnesty NOW! > >> >> How exactly would a reputable servicer handle this (other than telling > >> >> the customer to get lost)? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > reputable servicer handle this, i.e. evacuate the system? It could ruin > a recovery station, and it can't be vented to atmosphere. A shop doing AC service can install a device called a "Removinator" on the hoses to their recovery machine. The Removinator will catch the sealer before it can damage the machine. > I know, a slightly less reputable servicer might, ah, find a slow leak > around an O-ring or fitting somewhere and tell the customer to come back > in a week. But the question is about a reputable servicer. > In article <qkbgl4-u6m....@remote.clifto.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Removinator will catch the sealer before it can damage the > machine. I bet some people will think you are joking due to the silly name of the product, but it does exist. Removinator is one brand of sealer trap but there are others. Of course, anyone who uses A/C sealer is likely prone to using alternate refrigerants which will dilute and contaminate your recovery cylinder during the recovery process. I guess you can technically release hydrocarbon products to atmosphere legally, so it's no big deal. Toyota MDT in MO In article <1183224937.450172.66090@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > A shop doing AC service can install a device called a > > "Removinator" on the hoses to their recovery machine. The [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the product, but it does exist. Removinator is one brand of sealer > trap but there are others. Yup, "Removinator" was the name that came to mind.. > Of course, anyone who uses A/C sealer is likely prone to using > alternate refrigerants which will dilute and contaminate your recovery > cylinder during the recovery process. Should have been caught by the refrigerant identifier. > I guess you can technically > release hydrocarbon products to atmosphere legally, so it's no big > deal. Actually, no. Once any refrigerant is installed in a motor vehicle, it falls under section 609 and has to be recovered. If you used peanut butter and jelly, it would have to be recovered by law... > In article > <1183224937.450172.66...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Should have been caught by the refrigerant identifier. Right, I'm just saying -- what do you do if you can't *use* the A/C machine to recover the alternate product for fear of contamination? Do you have a spare "waste" cylinder for such purposes? I have not run across the situation as of yet. > > I guess you can technically > > release hydrocarbon products to atmosphere legally, so it's no big [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you used peanut butter and jelly, it would have to be > recovered by law... That's good to know... nice example, too. I need to look into some refresher reading to update that recovery class so many moons ago. Toyota MDT in MO In article <1183297587.236554.216690@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > In article > > <1183224937.450172.66...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Do you have a spare "waste" cylinder for such purposes? I have not > run across the situation as of yet. Nor have I. We had been fortunate in Wisconsin having some of the most restrictive laws in the country. Regulation at the level comparable to doctors dispensing pain medication... keeps things nice and clean. I know from my readings on i-ATN that there are AC techs that do have separate recovery cylinders for contaminated refrigerant, I also know that there are facilities (even around here) that are equipped to dispose of contaminated refrigerant in a safe and legal manner. Naturally, this is a market niche that commands a premium price which is passed on to the consumer and hopefully negates any "savings" that my have attempted to achieve. Last summer the state experimented with allowing small quantities of refrigerants to be sold over the counter (since sun setted) this -act- prompted me to purchase the necessary defenses to protect my equipment, extra steps, extra costs, all born by the consumer. > > > I guess you can technically > > > release hydrocarbon products to atmosphere legally, so it's no big [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That's good to know... nice example, too. I need to look into some > refresher reading to update that recovery class so many moons ago. I should have also noted that pure Nitrogen used for leak testing is exempt from the recovery requirement. The above does point out the fallacy of HC refrigerants though... > In article > <1183297587.236554.216...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for the wisdom. Now to bring the original topic back on track: I get 45 mpg better performance on average with Bosch 5 electrode septuple-platinum plugs that with OE. HTH, Toyota MDT in MO >>I guess you can technically >>release hydrocarbon products to atmosphere legally, so it's no big [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you used peanut butter and jelly, it would have to be > recovered by law... Right- laws aren't always particularly intelligently written. That's why you HAVE to recover R-134a that is in a car air conditioner, but you can go to Office Depot and buy 200 bottles of "Dust Off" to clean your computer fans, or go to an electronics shop and buy 200 bottles of "Freeze-It" used to chill semiconductors to find ones that quit working when hot and vent them into your office all day. Both of those (especially the freeze sprays) are usually R-134a, the same chemical used in car air conditioners. Its enough to make a rational person think the EPA is full of loonies. loonies,,,, Fragile Warrior in the alt.gossip.celebrities newsgroup coined a word for loonies, F' loons. cuhulin > Right- laws aren't always particularly intelligently written. That's why > you HAVE to recover R-134a that is in a car air conditioner, but you can > go to Office Depot and buy 200 bottles of "Dust Off" to clean your > computer fans, I've seen that a lot, but my can of Falcon Dust-Off contains 1,1-Difluoroethane, CAS #75-37-4, which is R-152a. http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsampling/data/CH_235325.html Not that it doesn't make a fine refrigerant in its own light, with a boiling point of -27C. Not that it isn't chemically similar to R-134a, it is. Just a data point. SignatureHappy Birthday, Canada! July 1, 1867 - July 1, 2007 In honor of Canada's birthday, all Canadians are directed to spend Sunday in their birthday suits. > >>I guess you can technically > >>release hydrocarbon products to atmosphere legally, so it's no big [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Its enough to make a rational person think the EPA is full of loonies. I'd heard that claim about the duster cans a number of times, the ones I've seen at Office Max and Office Depot were not R-134a. <shrug> I quit fighting the rules decades ago, too much risk... Back in the 70s and 80s when we used to just let the R-12 fly, I remember thinking what a waste it was. > I quit fighting the rules decades ago, too much risk... I've more or less quit too, but they'll be kicking dirt over me when I stop calling the stoopid rules stoopid rules. SignatureHappy Birthday, Canada! July 1, 1867 - July 1, 2007 In honor of Canada's birthday, all Canadians are directed to spend Sunday in their birthday suits. >>Its enough to make a rational person think the EPA is full of loonies. > > I'd heard that claim about the duster cans a number of times, the > ones I've seen at Office Max and Office Depot were not R-134a. > <shrug> Dusters are a mixed bag- R-134a, R-152a, some even have CO2 blends IIRC, but usually there's something that liquifies easily so that you can pack more into a spray can. Isobutane is tempting, but flammable so I doubt its ever used in dusters. All the "freeze-it" type sprays I've seen lately, though, are R-134a. I have taken my little WebTV battery powered wireless Philips Magnavox keyboard apart numerous times before to clean the crud out and doggy's dog hairs out of there.I use an old Sears electric blower to blow the crud out and I put a few drops of Armor All in a dish and I use a tooth pick to lube the little tabs under my keyboard's keys before I stick them back on there.It works great. cuhulin ........................... As seen on WebTV ........................... >Which brings us around to the original question again: how would a >reputable servicer handle this, i.e. evacuate the system? It could ruin [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >around an O-ring or fitting somewhere and tell the customer to come back >in a week. But the question is about a reputable servicer. There are filter gadgets that you can stick in the line that will scavenge heavy gunk (like sealers and bad oil). --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >I was looking through my July 2007 Popular Mechanics magazine which I > received in my snail mail a couple of weeks ago.A big two page ad > about > the new spark plugs. www.pulstarplug.com Spark plug scams are almost as old as the internal combustion engine. If these plugs really resulted in a 2 to 11% increase in fuel economy, don't you think they would be standard on every car? The whole explanation of "how they work" is total BS. Ed >> I was looking through my July 2007 Popular Mechanics magazine which I >> received in my snail mail a couple of weeks ago.A big two page ad [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ed Nice graphics though. lol Well, haven't you ever tried out any new fangled auto gadgets before, all those wild claims the ads advertize and you found out there was no improvement at all or your vehicle ran worse than before? cuhulin >>I was looking through my July 2007 Popular Mechanics magazine which I >>received in my snail mail a couple of weeks ago.A big two page ad [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ed Wow, it is amazingly bullshitty. I have to hand it to advertizers, they don't generally fabricate nonsense out of thin air to anywhere near the extent that they did back in the 50s and 60s, but this fluff could have been lifted straight out of one of the nuttier ads from back then. >>>I was looking through my July 2007 Popular Mechanics magazine which >>>I [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > fluff could have been lifted straight out of one of the nuttier ads > from back then. Vortex / Splitfire.... My 1914 T Model Ford car has take apart spark plugs for easy cleaning.The spark plugs come apart in three seperate pieces.I have some new old stock spare spark plugs for the car too.I guess if you do a search for, Collectible Antique Spark Plugs You might see all kinds of old, old spark plugs. cuhulin On Jun 26, 5:41 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote: > I was looking through my July 2007 Popular Mechanics magazine which I > received in my snail mail a couple of weeks ago.A big two page ad about [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > stop leak.19 ounzes. INT MAC134 $19.95 > cuhulin Summertime with it's inevitable high gas prices brings out ever more miraculous ways to enhance gasoline MPG. I've also read about a gimmick multi-electrode sparkplug that supposedly improves power and milage at the same time. People are shelling out $9.00 per plug!! >Summertime with it's inevitable high gas prices brings out ever more >miraculous ways to enhance gasoline MPG. I've also read about a >gimmick multi-electrode sparkplug that supposedly improves power and >milage at the same time. People are shelling out $9.00 per plug!! The best way to improve mileage and overall vehicle performance is to hide the car keys from your teenager. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >Summertime with it's inevitable high gas prices brings out ever more > >miraculous ways to enhance gasoline MPG. I've also read about a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > hide the car keys from your teenager. > --scott Heh... Fortunately mine are gown and gone...no more teenager car problems!!!! I bought my 1978 Dodge van in 1989.Of course the AC wasen't working, later on I got it working but it kept on leaking so much I just let it go.No more driving than I do anymore I just can't see pouring a lot of money into that AC.I have a 12 volt electric fan I mounted on a piece of plywood so I can sit the fan on the doghouse and I plug the fan in the cigarette lighter and I turn it on when I am driving in hot weather, it works for me.Besides, almost all of my driving nowadays is to the Wal Mart (food department) store, a round trip distance of three miles once a week or so. cuhulin >> >Summertime with it's inevitable high gas prices brings out ever more >> >miraculous ways to enhance gasoline MPG. I've also read about a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Fortunately mine are gown and gone...no more teenager car problems!!!! My teenagers never ever asked me about driving, never wanted to borrow the car, etc. Their successors are only teenagers in adjusted cat years. SignatureWe can't possibly imprison 300 million Americans for not paying their taxes, so let's grant all of them amnesty NOW! > Summertime with it's inevitable high gas prices brings out ever more > miraculous ways to enhance gasoline MPG. I've also read about a > gimmick multi-electrode sparkplug that supposedly improves power and > milage at the same time. People are shelling out $9.00 per plug!! and these folks want $24.95 per plug ... for my Z28, that's only $200 for a set :) cuhulin@webtv.net wrote in article <1530-468187FD-119@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>... > I was looking through my July 2007 Popular Mechanics magazine which I > received in my snail mail a couple of weeks ago.A big two page ad about > the new spark plugs. www.pulstarplug.com Now, that's great news for the auto manufacturers who have to meet more stringent CAFE standards in a couple of years. Instead of assigning dozens of engineers to the problem of increasing fuel mileage to meet the new CAFE standards, they only need to change their spark plug vendor. I'm sure they'll all be happy to hear the news. Has anybody told them yet? |
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