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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / July 2007

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Status of polarizing headlamp filters

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Old Wolf - 04 Jul 2007 03:52 GMT
I was reading about this idea today. If all headlamps
are fitted with a polarizing filter, then other drivers can
almost completely eliminate glare by wearing glasses
(or coating their windscreen) with another polarizing
filter, perpendicular to the other.

The article I read noted that one major problem was
that the polarization process would block 50% of
the light output of a conventional incandescent lamp,
meaning they wouldn't do their job as well; and it
speculated that when lighting technology improved
in future to include lighting devices that could emit
polarizing light, then this idea might have its day again.

Is anyone producing such a thing commercially
at the moment?
Steve Austin - 04 Jul 2007 06:02 GMT
> I was reading about this idea today. If all headlamps
> are fitted with a polarizing filter, then other drivers can
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Is anyone producing such a thing commercially
> at the moment?

It would work great as long as you didn't drive at night.
Bob M. - 05 Jul 2007 02:15 GMT
>I was reading about this idea today. If all headlamps
> are fitted with a polarizing filter, then other drivers can
> almost completely eliminate glare by wearing glasses
> (or coating their windscreen) with another polarizing
> filter, perpendicular to the other.

You wouldn't eliminate the glare, you could completely eliminate the light
altogether. Probably not a good idea.  Two polarizing screens over the same
light source, when they're in the proper phase, will block out all light.
Try this with polarized sunglasses & an LCD watch (the display is polarized,
otherwise it wouldn't work).  Some car radios can't be seen with polarized
sunglasses on for the same reason.

Years ago my uncle (then a pilot in the US Air Force) told me that the
aviator sunglasses they're issued aren't polarized because most airplane
canopies are, and at certain angles you'd see only black.  I don't know if
canopies are polarized, but I do know two polarized surfaces will block out
all light in the right conditions.
clifto - 05 Jul 2007 04:13 GMT
> Years ago my uncle (then a pilot in the US Air Force) told me that the
> aviator sunglasses they're issued aren't polarized because most airplane
> canopies are, and at certain angles you'd see only black.  I don't know if
> canopies are polarized, but I do know two polarized surfaces will block out
> all light in the right conditions.

I quit buying polarized glasses and sunglasses a while back because they
make it impossible to see the screen on my GPS or my radar detector.

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Ashton Crusher - 05 Jul 2007 06:39 GMT
>>I was reading about this idea today. If all headlamps
>> are fitted with a polarizing filter, then other drivers can
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>canopies are polarized, but I do know two polarized surfaces will block out
>all light in the right conditions.

Edsels came with polarized windshields and some people had that
problem when they wore Polarized sunglasses.
Old Wolf - 09 Jul 2007 03:33 GMT
> >I was reading about this idea today. If all headlamps
> > are fitted with a polarizing filter, then other drivers can
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> You wouldn't eliminate the glare, you could completely eliminate the light
> altogether. Probably not a good idea.

Obviously you would have some sort of standard
for the angle of polarization, so that enough light
gets through so you can see the approaching vehicle.

You could avoid the sunglasses problem by having
the headlights emit some light polarised at one
particular angle, and other light at a different angle,
Scott Dorsey - 09 Jul 2007 15:14 GMT
>> >I was reading about this idea today. If all headlamps
>> > are fitted with a polarizing filter, then other drivers can
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>the headlights emit some light polarised at one
>particular angle, and other light at a different angle,

My uncle Robert patented a workable system back in the sixties, and
tried to sell polarized filters for headlights and a flip-down polarizer
for the visor.  

The idea here is that it blocks out the direct light of the oncoming
headlights, but that reflected light has been Faraday-rotated and does
not get blocked.  The problem, of course, is that everybody else on the
road needs to install polarizers and convincing them to do so (or the
car manufacturers to do so) is nontrivial.
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John S. - 09 Jul 2007 13:57 GMT
> I was reading about this idea today. If all headlamps
> are fitted with a polarizing filter, then other drivers can
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Is anyone producing such a thing commercially
> at the moment?

Headlights serve two purposes:  1.  At night they allow the driver to
see the road.  2.  At all times they allow other drivers to see an
oncoming car.  Why would you want to reduce and possibly eliminate the
obvious improvement in safety from #2?
 
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