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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / July 2007

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shfgvc7q24row - 16 Jul 2007 09:17 GMT
Hi,

I have a slightly off topic question but I think the expertise I need is in
this group. I am wondering whether to use oil or grease for a certain
problem. I have a tube of metal (with a square crossection with 1 1/2 inch
sides) that slides into another slightly larger tube and they need to come
apart easily. In general, what types situations should be lubricated with
oil and which with grease? The oil I have available would be 3in1 and the
grease would be vasiline.

Thanks,
Mike Romain - 16 Jul 2007 15:40 GMT
> Hi,
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>
> Thanks,

Neither.

Antiseize is the proper stuff.

If they are 'moving' parts, then grease them.

Mike
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Scott Dorsey - 16 Jul 2007 16:11 GMT
>I have a slightly off topic question but I think the expertise I need is in
>this group. I am wondering whether to use oil or grease for a certain
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>oil and which with grease? The oil I have available would be 3in1 and the
>grease would be vasiline.

What kind of metal is this?

The real solution might be to select metals that don't bind in the first
place.

How often are they moving?  If you have something that you want to stay
static most of the time and only occasionally be removed, you want an
anti-seize compound.  If you have something that needs to move slowly with
wide clearances, you will want a grease.  if you have something that needs
to move fast, you probably want an oil but you need to keep the oil film
in place.

3-In-1 oil turns to varnish and crud after a fairly short amount of time.
Vaseline isn't too stable over the long term either.  If those are your
two choices, pick metals appropriately rather than using any lubricant.
--scott
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shfgvc7q24row - 16 Jul 2007 17:00 GMT
Okay, I'll use anti-seize.

This is for a weight bench where some of the attachments for different
exercises get changed a few times a week. The type of metal is steel.

Will anything that is a suitable anti-seize lubricant say "anti-seize" on
the packge, or are there any brand names I should look for? What about WD 40
(which I already have)?

Thanks,
Mike Romain - 16 Jul 2007 17:36 GMT
> Okay, I'll use anti-seize.
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> Thanks,

If it is getting wet and rusting, then I guess a Water Displacement
fluid like WD40 might be useful.  ;-)

Any generic antiseize will do, but it is 'messy' stuff.  Very messy.  So
is grease and oil, but they are clean compared to antiseize.

The WD40 might even be the best for that application come to think about it.

Mike
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Scott Dorsey - 16 Jul 2007 18:31 GMT
>This is for a weight bench where some of the attachments for different
>exercises get changed a few times a week. The type of metal is steel.

A delrin sleeve would be a good long-term solution.

>Will anything that is a suitable anti-seize lubricant say "anti-seize" on
>the packge, or are there any brand names I should look for? What about WD 40
>(which I already have)?

Steel doesn't deform and stick so much, the way aluminum does.  What you
want for steel is mostly to keep it from rusting, because the rust will
make it stick.  And you're using it in a humid environment, where that is
going to be a problem.  I'd put a very thin layer of automatic transmission
fluid on the end of the attachments.  It will not take much at all.
--scott
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Comboverfish - 17 Jul 2007 14:29 GMT
On Jul 16, 11:00 am, "shfgvc7q24row" <shfgvc7q24...@shfgvc7q24row.com>
wrote:
> Okay, I'll use anti-seize.
>
> This is for a weight bench where some of the attachments for different
> exercises get changed a few times a week. The type of metal is steel.

Why did I know that was the intended application? :-)

> Will anything that is a suitable anti-seize lubricant say "anti-seize" on
> the packge, or are there any brand names I should look for? What about WD 40
> (which I already have)?

Anti-seize is called anti-seize.  Permatex makes a small jar of it
with brush-in-cap.  You may be able to get little squeeze packets at
an auto parts store, I don't know.

Be aware that it is very sticky and very easily gets on everything.
You may want to get dedicated towels for use when changing equipment
over.

Toyota MDT in MO
cuhulin@webtv.net - 17 Jul 2007 16:35 GMT
Apply some anti-seize to a pipe cleaner. (the kind of pipe cleaners some
people use for cleaning their smoking pipes, tobacco) If the pipe
cleaner isn't long enough, you can twist the ends of them together and
make it as long as you want.
cuhulin
Steve - 18 Jul 2007 03:08 GMT
> Okay, I'll use anti-seize.
>
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>
> Thanks,

For something like that, I'd consider a "dry" lubricant, either Teflon
based (can come as a liquid that you spray on, then the fluid evaporates
leaving a coating of PTFE) or one of the molybdenum disulfide powder
lubricants (often mis-labelled as "graphite") that are sold to lubricate
locks.

Anything like anti-seize, grease, or oil will attract dust and turn into
a sticky abrasive mess over time.
z - 18 Jul 2007 20:43 GMT
On Jul 16, 12:00 pm, "shfgvc7q24row" <shfgvc7q24...@shfgvc7q24row.com>
wrote:
> Okay, I'll use anti-seize.
>
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>
> Thanks,

For that, I'd use white lithium grease.
 
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