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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / September 2007

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john - 10 Sep 2007 03:53 GMT
Your local gas station probably offers you 3 levels of gasoline, like
gold, silver and bronze. These typically have different levels of
octane in them and you will generally get a little better mileage for
the more expensive type.

In addition to different octane levels there are many different
additives that can be in a companies brand of gasoline and this
differentiation can have a big impact on your vehicle.

One type of additive is a detergent which generally cleans your
engine. Without some level of detergents engine deposits form and this
causes reduced fuel efficiency, acceleration and power as well as
increasing emissions and rough idling. more....
http://www.zone-car.com/?gasoline-detergent-improves-engine-performance.php

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Noozer - 10 Sep 2007 04:41 GMT
> Your local gas station probably offers you 3 levels of gasoline, like
> gold, silver and bronze. These typically have different levels of
> octane in them and you will generally get a little better mileage for
> the more expensive type.

Higher octane gas NOT get you better mileage.  Use the octane rating that is
suggested for your car - no lower, no higher.

Using high octance gas in a low octane engine is a waste of money. Using low
octane gas in a high octane engine will cause detonation and damage, or
cause the computer to adjust timing and waste power.
sdlomi2 - 11 Sep 2007 03:19 GMT
>> Your local gas station probably offers you 3 levels of gasoline, like
>> gold, silver and bronze. These typically have different levels of
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> Using high octance gas in a low octane engine is a waste of money.
                  >snip<
   Even worse, according to our local Chrysler Service Manager.  He told me
a couple of years back that the major complaint he had was driveability, and
the major cause of driveability problems was people running hi-test in
lo-octane cars.  Something about the ingredients/additives in the
hi-octane??  The customers often initially fought his analysis, but tried it
since he gave it to them in writing.  Many came back or called and thanked
him.
   Don, below, did a seemingly good test, but he admits it was not
conclusive.  I noticed that some older Buick Ultras with
Superchargers--check & lemme know if I'm wrong--had lower compression ratio
than the non-s/chg'd., something like 8:1 on the s/chg'd. and 8.5:1 on the
non-s/chg'd.  On the surface, lo-octane seems ok.  Actually, I've known a
few customers who used it exclusively after even shorter tests than Don, and
claimed NO diff. in mileage.  These were VERY conservative drivers, who may
get by as such.  But I, who am a conservative for 98% of the time, like to
"feel" the power once in a while: this makes up the other 2%.  I'd think the
s/chg'd eng. would HURT during this 2%.  And who knows when I'll wish to
"feel" it?  Needs hi-octane then!  However the knock sensor detects my foot,
lowers the timing via computer, runs inefficiently thru this otherwise
hurting time, and fails to let me feel what it really had, being constrained
by all the lower parameters than ideal!
   So, for the average driver who uses his passing gear infrequently, what
does he do?  He's better off, IMO, to run the hi-octane always.  This way,
the car's 'muscles are not strained to the point of serious damage' when it
infrequently climbs a hill with an arm tied to a foot = while in passing
gear, when the s/charger blows hard and knock sensor retards timing to its
max (or min!)--a condition not recommended by either Buick's mfg. OR us
builders of more conventional, hi-output engines.
   So, who could benefit from using the lo-octane in this car?  My dad was
one--notice I said WAS, as he's no longer down here with us.  I'm sure I had
a couple of customers who could also benefit.  But after this counting,  I
still have a couple of fingers on one hand not being used!
   My opinion, ONLY.
sam
Lee Richardson - 11 Sep 2007 14:46 GMT
"I noticed that some older Buick Ultras with
Superchargers--check & lemme know if I'm wrong--had lower compression ratio
than the non-s/chg'd., something like 8:1 on the s/chg'd. and 8.5:1 on the
non-s/chg'd.  On the surface, lo-octane seems ok. "

That surface assumption would be wrong.  While it may well be that
the -mechanical- compression ratio is lower on the supercharged version than
on the normally aspirated one, the -effective- compression ratio would rise
greatly as boost builds.  Bottom line, why not try using whatever grade the
manufacuters recommend?

Lee Richardson
sdlomi2 - 11 Sep 2007 23:42 GMT
> .  Bottom line, why not try using whatever grade the manufacuters
> recommend?

   Sorry I wasn't clearer when I tried to indicate that's what I do and
recommend :  " And who knows when I'll wish to "feel" it?  Needs hi-octane
then!  However the knock sensor detects my foot, lowers the timing via
computer, runs inefficiently thru this otherwise hurting time, and fails to
let me feel what it really had, being constrained by all the lower
parameters than ideal!"
    I agree wholeheartedly with you.  I've also found in most cases,
*parts* the mfg. calls for are hard to beat--DexCool excepted.  sam
Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 10 Sep 2007 15:06 GMT
> Your local gas station probably offers you 3 levels of gasoline, like
> gold, silver and bronze. These typically have different levels of
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My 1998 Neon R/T supposedly preferred high-test, but would run on
regular because it has a knock sensor.  When I got the car, I ran a
careful test, running ten tankfuls on each, and doing the statistics
to look at the variance in the data.  The results showed a slightly
higher average with REGULAR, but the amount of difference was less
than the variance, so all I could conclude was that the milage with
available gas station octanes was NOT dependent at all on octane.
aarcuda69062 - 11 Sep 2007 00:38 GMT
In article
<1189392821.324674.118720@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

> Your local gas station probably offers you 3 levels of gasoline, like
> gold, silver and bronze. These typically have different levels of
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>
> ==========

There may be a medical cure for such useless regurgitation.
 
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