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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / September 2007

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Mazda B2200: Convert from R12 to R134?

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joshhemming@fastmail.fm - 21 Sep 2007 22:03 GMT
The factory R12 A/C system on my 1988 Mazda B2200 has had a slow leak
for the last 10 years.  Normally adding one small can of R12 in the
Spring would get me through until the next year.  Last year the small
leak apparently became a major one: the sight glass looks like all the
freon is gone and the A/C doesn't cool at all.  The compressor kicks
in normally.

Given the high cost and scarcity of R12 (I'm down to my last 3 small
cans) I'm wondering if I'd be better off having a professional A/C
shop convert the system over to R134 after they locate and fix the
source of the leak.  An article which came out in Family Handyman or
some such do-it-yourself magazine back in the 90s listed the B2200 as
one of the more expensive models to convert, because major components
have to be replaced along with the O-rings.  However,  people lately
have told me it's not as big a deal as it was once made out to be, at
least for most makes/models, and on most cars the R12 components will
work with R134.

Can any of you refrig techs or fellow B2200 owners give me the
straight story, and tell me approximately how much the conversion job
would cost assuming the leak is just a bad O-ring or seal?
Don - 22 Sep 2007 01:19 GMT
>The factory R12 A/C system on my 1988 Mazda B2200 has had a slow leak
>for the last 10 years.  Normally adding one small can of R12 in the
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>straight story, and tell me approximately how much the conversion job
>would cost assuming the leak is just a bad O-ring or seal?

Fix the leak and leave it charged with R12.  It will cool better and
be less prone to future leakage.  Total cost will probably be
considerably less than converting it.  R12 is still available.  I have
it and could easily buy more if I wanted.  

Don
www.donsautomotive.com
clifto - 22 Sep 2007 02:40 GMT
> Fix the leak and leave it charged with R12.  It will cool better and
> be less prone to future leakage.  Total cost will probably be
> considerably less than converting it.  R12 is still available.  I have
> it and could easily buy more if I wanted.  

"Easily"? Must be nice to be able to conjure up a wheelbarrow full of Euros
any time you want. :)

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Ashton Crusher - 22 Sep 2007 05:14 GMT
>> Fix the leak and leave it charged with R12.  It will cool better and
>> be less prone to future leakage.  Total cost will probably be
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>"Easily"? Must be nice to be able to conjure up a wheelbarrow full of Euros
>any time you want. :)

It's available in large and small quantities on Ebay for not all that
much money.  People are still finding stashes of cans in their garage.
joshhemming@fastmail.fm - 22 Sep 2007 03:24 GMT
>Total cost will probably be
considerably less than converting it.

Don, would any major components have to be replaced to convert it to
R134, or just O-rings, valves etc.?
Tegger - 22 Sep 2007 13:43 GMT
joshhemming@fastmail.fm wrote in news:1190427871.690771.156520@
19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:

>>Total cost will probably be
> considerably less than converting it.
>
> Don, would any major components have to be replaced to convert it to
> R134, or just O-rings, valves etc.?

Besides the cost, there's something like a 20% reduction in cooling
efficiency with the conversion to R134a. I'd leave it R12 if I were you.

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Scott Dorsey - 22 Sep 2007 19:24 GMT
>joshhemming@fastmail.fm wrote in news:1190427871.690771.156520@
>19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:
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>Besides the cost, there's something like a 20% reduction in cooling
>efficiency with the conversion to R134a. I'd leave it R12 if I were you.

The issue is that it's usually _cheaper_ to replace major components.
For example, you can take the compressor apart, replace the various
rubber seals in it, clean the oil out, and put it back together, and
it'll only cost you a few dollars in parts and a whole lot of labour.
If your labour is free, by all means do this.  But if you're paying
for labour it might just be cheaper to drop in a new compressor.

R12 was frightfully expensive for a few years after it got taken off
the market, but prices stabilized and then have dropped considerably.
It's still more expensive than R134A, but it's not anywhere near as
expensive as it used to be.  So there isn't as big a reason to change
things over as there once was.
--scott
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Don - 22 Sep 2007 19:09 GMT
>>Total cost will probably be
>considerably less than converting it.
>
>Don, would any major components have to be replaced to convert it to
>R134, or just O-rings, valves etc.?

My shop does not do conversions.  I bought plenty of R12 when I saw
the handwriting on the wall.  I am not that impressed with the cooling
performance of most conversions I see, nor their ability to contain
refrigerant.
Drier is probably not compatible.
"O" rings, hoses, expansion valve will all get by but they are NOT
optimal for HC134.  Hence less cooling, more chance of leaks.
Wholesale suppliers still offer to sell me R12.

Don
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