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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / September 2007

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Torn CV boot prognosis

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Old Wolf - 24 Sep 2007 01:17 GMT
My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
passenger's side CV joint.

The mechanic said it wasn't possible to silicon it up
or anything - it had to be replaced, at a cost comparable
to that of replacing the joint entirely (minus parts of course).

He also said that if I did nothing, it would dry up within
about a month because the grease lubricating it would
get flung out the tear in the boot.

Is this all correct, and what should I do?
« Paul » - 24 Sep 2007 02:25 GMT
> My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
> passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Is this all correct, and what should I do?

You might want to fix it before the wheel and axle fall
off in about a month or two.
Get a complete rebuilt axle assembly.
It is cheaper.
* - 24 Sep 2007 15:44 GMT
« Paul » <"« Paul »"@comcast.net> wrote in article
<46F71211.5E575F2@comcast.net>...

> You might want to fix it before the wheel and axle fall
> off in about a month or two.
> Get a complete rebuilt axle assembly.
> It is cheaper.

How, exactly, do you suggest that the wheel and axle are going to come off
the car should the CV joint break????

The bearing is retained independently from the CV joint.
Steve B. - 24 Sep 2007 02:49 GMT
>My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
>passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Is this all correct, and what should I do?

That is correct.  If you are feeling froggy they make a split boot
that you can put on that has a seam that can be glued but they are a
really short term fix.  Doubt you will find a pro willing to put one
on.

I would go ahead and replace the axle and boot at the same time.  You
have to do all the labor anyway and the joint is probably worn anyway.

                Steve B.
Pete C. - 24 Sep 2007 12:49 GMT
> >My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
> >passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>                  Steve B.

And even if you go with the split boot, you would need to completely
clean out the joint and regrease it as you have no way to tell how much
road grit has already got in and mixed with the grease making a nice
abrasive slurry. CV Joints just aren't worth messing with trying to
salvage, if the boot is torn, consider the joint trash and replace the
whole thing unless you like the idea of loosing your balls while backing
out of a space at the grocery store. I've seen it happen, with a half
dozen nice big balls rolling around on the ground.
hls - 24 Sep 2007 13:32 GMT
"Steve B." <none@none.com> wrote in message > That is correct.  If you are
feeling froggy they make a split boot
> that you can put on that has a seam that can be glued but they are a
> really short term fix.  Doubt you will find a pro willing to put one
> on.

Exactly right.  I have tried to use the split boots in the past, and no
matter how carefully
I do it, they seem to fail quickly.  They might ok for a short term patch
job, but you
need to do it right.

I have seen a boot that can be expanded and slipped over the CV joint from
the transmission
side, which might allow the job to be done without pulling the axle
halfshaft out of the hub.
But, unless you are sure the CV is good, there is little to be gained.

> I would go ahead and replace the axle and boot at the same time.  You
> have to do all the labor anyway and the joint is probably worn anyway.

Again, probably right.  The joint may not be worn, but it is a lot of work
to
replace the boot (properly) and then find the joint itself fails.
John S. - 24 Sep 2007 12:50 GMT
> My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
> passenger's side CV joint.
>
> The mechanic said it wasn't possible to silicon it up
> or anything

Silicone up a rubber boot that is constantly spinning and twisting?
C'mon....

> - it had to be replaced, at a cost comparable
> to that of replacing the joint entirely (minus parts of course).

Makes sense to me since the same disassembly occurs.

> He also said that if I did nothing, it would dry up within
> about a month because the grease lubricating it would
> get flung out the tear in the boot.

Since the boot is there to keep moisture away from the joint and keep
the lubricant in place around the joint, yes that's also correct.

> Is this all correct, and what should I do?

Well, if I weere you I would fix it before it locks up.

Although since you apparently want to save money by using silicone,
you might also try some muffler patch tape.
ray - 24 Sep 2007 17:08 GMT
>> My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
>> passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Although since you apparently want to save money by using silicone,
> you might also try some muffler patch tape.

Won't hold.  On my old Jimmy I had the same problem - busted boot, and
nothing worked - tried duct tape, tried zip ties... eventually I just
changed the stupid axle.  Wasn't hard, the biggest problem was that on
my car you had to pop the tie rod for clearance and was worn too and
rusted to the inner tie rod, so one worn CV boot at $5 became a new
axle, new shock, new tie rods and adjuster.

But yeah, the only proper way to fix it is a new axle shaft.

Ray
John S. - 24 Sep 2007 20:57 GMT
> >> My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
> >> passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

I was making a point...not serious.
ray - 24 Sep 2007 21:14 GMT
>>>Although since you apparently want to save money by using silicone,
>>>you might also try some muffler patch tape.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> I was making a point...not serious.

lol.  I figured you were yanking his chain, but like I said, I tried the
50 cent way of fixing it on a 15 year old truck's front axles, but ended
up having to do it the right way because there really is no quick fix
for a torn boot on a CV joint that'll hold worth a darn, and if the boot
is that badly tore up, it's probably got no grease left in there and is
full of grit instead.

Ray
z - 28 Sep 2007 16:14 GMT
> >>>Although since you apparently want to save money by using silicone,
> >>>you might also try some muffler patch tape.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Or you could just wrap a roll of saran wrap around it. yeehaw!
Mike Romain - 24 Sep 2007 15:01 GMT
> My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
> passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Is this all correct, and what should I do?

That is all correct.

Usually when 'I' see torn boots on CV's or ball joints or tie rod ends,
that means the part has worn enough to go beyond the design specs of the
boot so it stretches and tears.  (unless this is an off road vehicle,
where sticks and stones come into play)

I would replace the whole thing because the labor to fix it properly is
the same or higher due to cleaning as to change it.

Mike
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Tegger - 24 Sep 2007 17:51 GMT
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:46f7c2f4$0$15183
$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com:

> Usually when 'I' see torn boots on CV's or ball joints or tie rod ends,
> that means the part has worn enough to go beyond the design specs of the
> boot so it stretches and tears.

A split CV joint boot is primarily caused by flexing stresses.
Steering, cold, and high ride height exacerbate these.

From what I've seen they take about a year or two from the first signs of
cracking to when they finally tear open entirely.

CV joint boots are easy to catch before they actually split. A couple of
times per year, turn the steering wheel all the way to one side. Standing
in front of the wheel on that side, peek at the inside of the wheel where
the joint goes into the steering knuckle. With the wheel turned all the way
to the one side, the boot pleats are spread apart as far as they will go,
and cracking will be obvious. Repeat for other side.
You don't even have to jack the car up or don shop overalls.

> (unless this is an off road vehicle,
> where sticks and stones come into play)
>
> I would replace the whole thing because the labor to fix it properly is
> the same or higher due to cleaning as to change it.

Agreed.

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Old Wolf - 25 Sep 2007 04:10 GMT
> > My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
> > passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> I would replace the whole thing because the labor to fix it properly is
> the same or higher due to cleaning as to change it.

Thanks to everyone for the confirmation. Should I have
both sides done at once, or just one? (The other side
has no visible problems).

(I ask this for the same reason that people recommend
changing left and right tyres together -- in case the new
part would cause some sort of imbalance compared to
the old one on the other side)
E Meyer - 25 Sep 2007 04:44 GMT
On 9/24/07 10:10 PM, in article
1190689829.723445.199790@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "Old Wolf"
<oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> wrote:

>>> My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
>>> passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> part would cause some sort of imbalance compared to
> the old one on the other side)

If there is nothing wrong with the other side, leave it alone.  While it is
true that the wear is the same on both sides and if one side is worn out,
the other is likely in similar condition, it is not a given.  In my
experience, the other side usually goes one to two years later.  Just keep
an eye on it (watch for cracks in the boot) while that extra $200 is still
drawing interest in the bank.

If a new half axle is out of balance, it is defective and has to be
replaced.  Changing the other side will not mitigate that.
je.carpenter@comcast.net - 25 Sep 2007 04:45 GMT
> > > My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
> > > passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> part would cause some sort of imbalance compared to
> the old one on the other side)

No reason to replace the other side unless it's worn or the boot is
cracked/torn as well.  (it might be, if it's as old as it's mate) The
two are independent.
Tegger - 25 Sep 2007 12:22 GMT
Old Wolf <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> wrote in news:1190689829.723445.199790
@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> Thanks to everyone for the confirmation. Should I have
> both sides done at once, or just one? (The other side
> has no visible problems).

No need to deal with the other side until the boot starts cracking. (See my
previous message for how to check the boot for cracking.)

I would say this though: OEM (factory) driveshafts are typically of far
better quality and last far longer than any aftermarket replacement. If I
were you, I would attempt to keep the other shaft as long as possible. You
do this by replacing the boot BEFORE it splits.

The cost to replace one outer boot alone can approach the cost of the
installation of an aftermarket shaft. However, that one boot replacement
will likely be the last time you ever have to deal with that driveshaft. An
aftermarket shaft will likely fail on you in a few years.

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Scott Dorsey - 24 Sep 2007 15:49 GMT
>My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
>passenger's side CV joint.
>
>The mechanic said it wasn't possible to silicon it up
>or anything - it had to be replaced, at a cost comparable
>to that of replacing the joint entirely (minus parts of course).

Yup, this is true.

>He also said that if I did nothing, it would dry up within
>about a month because the grease lubricating it would
>get flung out the tear in the boot.

This is also true.

>Is this all correct, and what should I do?

Replace the joint entirely.  If you replace just the boot, the chances
of early failure are high, and it's not much more work just to replace the
whole damn thing.
--scott
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Steve W. - 24 Sep 2007 20:59 GMT
> My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
> passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Is this all correct, and what should I do?

He is correct.

Depending on the make and model it may be faster and cheaper to replace
the entire axle assembly. On most domestics this is the better option
than even bothering to replace one joint. Keep in mind that if one side
has torn the other side may not be far behind either.

Not really a hard job for a DIYer. Jack up the front end. Pull the tire.
Loosen the large axle retaining nut on the hub end. On most you will
want to look at how the lower ball joint comes out of the knuckle and
get it all loosened up. Now on many all you need to do to remove the
axle is to get a couple of pry bars and go between the inner joint and
the transaxle housing and pop it free (kind of like your pulling a nail)
You may lose some trans fluid depending on what angle your working at.
If so remember to check it and add the correct amount when your done.
Now once you have the inner joint free, go and turn the steering wheel
to the opposite of the side your working on. So in your case turn LEFT.
Now give the axle a good sharp rap with a dead blow hammer or use a
block of wood and a hammer. Take the nut off and push the lower ball
joint connection apart. Now rotate the steering knuckle to the right by
hand and work the axle out of the hub at the same time. Remove the axle
and reverse the procedure to install the new one. On a lot of domestics
it's about an hours job.

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summer1978 - 25 Sep 2007 00:19 GMT
> My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
> passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Is this all correct, and what should I do?

They sell those automarket "fit all" type of boots in parts
stores...they don't cost that much.
You'll have to pull out your CV joint and "re-manufacture" it yourself
though. :)

Best of luck
www.autorepairforums.net
Don - 25 Sep 2007 05:26 GMT
>> My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
>> passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>They sell those automarket "fit all" type of boots in parts
>stores...they don't cost that much.

They don't fit that much either.

Don
www.donsautomotive.com

>You'll have to pull out your CV joint and "re-manufacture" it yourself
>though. :)
>
>Best of luck
>www.autorepairforums.net
z - 28 Sep 2007 16:17 GMT
> My car (FWD) has a torn rubber  boot covering the
> passenger's side CV joint.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Is this all correct, and what should I do?

Yeah, instead of fixing the CV joint or even just replacing the boot,
the entire axle shaft is now a semi-routine replacement item. Fairly
cheap if you get a rebuilt, but some folks believe that they are
inferior to the expensive new ones. I've never had the CV joint fail
on a rebuilt, but i did have the axle shaft snap once. (on a
relatively gentle standing start with a Honda civic, no less. I assume
a manufacturing defect in the axle, not a problem with the CV joint
rebuilding).
 
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