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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / September 2007

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cuhulin@webtv.net - 25 Sep 2007 19:56 GMT
Bad News Bears movie is on tv.That great big Cadillac car that Walter
Matthau drove, in the movie.Lots of room to stretch out and a car trunk
big enough to haul a house.Take a look at the little egg shells on four
little bitty wheels that people are shoe horned in nowadays.You can't
even hardly get in and out of those little bitty new fangled cars
nowadays either.

A buddy of mine, his mom is too ill to drive anymore.She owns one of
those first model Dodge Neon cars.Last week, he was suggesting to me
that I might be interested in buying that car.I just don't want to own a
little bitty car.
cuhulin
hls - 25 Sep 2007 20:27 GMT
<cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message news:26135-46F959F6-1489@storefull-

I just don't want to own a little bitty car.
> cuhulin

Probably a lot of people still feel that way.  I think that the day of the
large cars
is gone forever.

(I wouldnt want a Neon myself)

We find our Avalon has as much space inside as, if not more than, our older
Buick
LeSabre.  And, it is a much smoother ride and gets better gas mileage.

As long as I dont have to walk, I feel pretty privileged.
Nate Nagel - 25 Sep 2007 23:49 GMT
> <cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message news:26135-46F959F6-1489@storefull-
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>
> As long as I dont have to walk, I feel pretty privileged.

I think the Neon is a little large for my tastes and needs.  The problem
I have with it is that, at least the ones of 10 years ago or so, it
looks/feels CHEAP.  Drab cloth, blah plastics, so-so performance and
handling, unnecessarily high seating position.  When will mfgrs. figure
out that there are people who may, for whatever reason, consider a small
car but don't want to feel like they're being punished for making that
decision?  I had an '02 GTI 1.8T for a while and it was the exact
opposite of the Neon.  Felt like a luxury car trapped in a small body.
Nice heated leather seats, quality-appearing plastic on the dash, and
unique (well, not anymore) red/blue gauge lighting that really made the
car look special from behind the driver's seat.  Only real complaints I
had about the car were a) same high seating position b) the uselessness
of the factory fog lights in real fog (they were integrated into the
headlamp clusters; I bought a set of Hella fogs to fit in the airdam but
never installed them before I sold the car) and c) what VW calls a "MFA"
(multi-function display; I primarily wanted it for the oil temp. readout
and the outside temp. sensor) which I'd been accustomed to having in all
my previous GTIs had apparently become optional for the '02 models, and
I didn't find this out until I went to take delivery of my car (the cars
that I test drove had all been equipped with the MFA and silly me didn't
read the fine print on the window stickers.)  Other than that I freaking
loved the car; great power/torque and nice ride, handling was a little
off but I deliberately did not get the sport suspension or 17" wheels as
this was to be my daily driver not a racer.

nate

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cuhulin@webtv.net - 26 Sep 2007 00:42 GMT
Oh mannn,,, some of those old, old, old black and white movies from the
teens and twenties and thirties.Those great big old cars, you could just
walk right on into those cars and take a seat on big seats that were as
big as my doggy's and my old worn out couch.Those were real cars back in
those days.
cuhulin
Nate Nagel - 26 Sep 2007 02:05 GMT
> Oh mannn,,, some of those old, old, old black and white movies from the
> teens and twenties and thirties.Those great big old cars, you could just
> walk right on into those cars and take a seat on big seats that were as
> big as my doggy's and my old worn out couch.Those were real cars back in
> those days.
> cuhulin

Sadly, my grandpa couldn't afford a Duesie SJ back then, and I still
can't today :(

nate

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Scott Dorsey - 26 Sep 2007 00:40 GMT
<cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message news:26135-46F959F6-1489@storefull-

>I just don't want to own a little bitty car.
> cuhulin

And this from the former Isetta owner?
--scott
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cuhulin@webtv.net - 26 Sep 2007 02:05 GMT
I still have the BMW Isetta owners manual that came with that car.It's
sitting in a foot locker in my bedroom closet.I like all kinds of
cars.The weirder they are, the better I like them.
cuhulin
Paul Hovnanian P.E. - 26 Sep 2007 05:11 GMT
> <cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message news:26135-46F959F6-1489@storefull-
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> large cars
> is gone forever.

That's why they make the Escalade.

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Steve Austin - 26 Sep 2007 12:53 GMT
> Bad News Bears movie is on tv.That great big Cadillac car that Walter
> Matthau drove, in the movie.Lots of room to stretch out and a car trunk
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> little bitty car.
> cuhulin

The only time that I almost got car sick was riding in the back seat of
a 60's Caddy.  I've never before or since had a problem with motion
sickness.
Hudson - 26 Sep 2007 15:01 GMT
Today's cars are better in almost every way (with the possible exception
of styling).

Today's large cars have the same or similar interior space as large
cars of 30-40-50 years ago. The only difference is that designers
didn't have to tack on two or three extra feet of exteriors to get
there.

Today's cars get twice the gas mileage of vehicles 30-40 years ago,
they have more power on average, and pollute 99% less. They're safer
and more reliable. They're better equipped and, relatlively speaking,
cheaper to buy and own.

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N8N - 26 Sep 2007 16:16 GMT
> Today's cars are better in almost every way (with the possible exception
> of styling).

Possible?  No possible about it.

> Today's large cars have the same or similar interior space as large
> cars of 30-40-50 years ago. The only difference is that designers
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> and more reliable. They're better equipped and, relatlively speaking,
> cheaper to buy and own.

They also have lost that direct mechanical feel for the road... they
seem to isolate the driver rather than involve him, for the most part.

The solution is to get an old car and update the suspension, wheels/
tires, shocks, sway bars, etc...  Oh, wait, I'm doing that right
now :)

nate
cuhulin@webtv.net - 26 Sep 2007 17:03 GMT
I realize cars of today are safer and handle better and get better gas
mileage and pollute much less than older cars.Those older cars had style
and they were much easier to work on too.And usually, you could tell
which car was which from a mile away.Gasoliine didn't cost as much as it
does nowadays, but way back in those years a dollar bought much more
that it does today.
cuhulin
ray - 27 Sep 2007 03:46 GMT
> They also have lost that direct mechanical feel for the road... they
> seem to isolate the driver rather than involve him, for the most part.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> nate

As a transportation appliance, there's no doubt a new car is the way to
go.  I had the "pleasure" of driving a stock 1970 Buick as a daily
driver in 1996, and I'd rather not go back.

Don't worry, I'm one of you - my daily summer driver is a 2001 Trans Am,
so it's not like I _like_ automotive appliances.  You wouldn't believe
the weird looks I get when I tell them my family car is a stick shift ON
PURPOSE...

Ray
Steve - 26 Sep 2007 19:13 GMT
> Today's cars are better in almost every way (with the possible exception
> of styling).
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Today's cars get twice the gas mileage of vehicles 30-40 years ago,
> they have more power on average, and pollute 99% less.

But they're filled with cheap plastics that start to deteriorate within
10 years, that's my biggest complaint.
cuhulin@webtv.net - 26 Sep 2007 19:19 GMT
I once read somewhere a lot of years ago that if you are driving a
fiberglass body car and if it catches fire, run far away from it as fast
as you can.It gives of stuff that can kill you.
I still think them old, old, old, cars are the best.
cuhulin
Dan_Thomas_nospam@yahoo.com - 27 Sep 2007 14:15 GMT
> Today's cars are better in almost every way (with the possible exception
> of styling).
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> and more reliable. They're better equipped and, relatlively speaking,
> cheaper to buy and own.

         I have arthritis in one hip. Makes getting in and out a
pain. We bought our last car three years ago, and one of the
requirements was a car that was easy to get in and out of. It's
amazing how many automakers ignore that, and even before arthritis I
had trouble getting into some vehicles.
        Chrysler's small cars were the worst. The Neon is hopeless.
We bought a Cavalier, which was pretty good that way. I wanted the
Mazda 626, which was the easiest by far, and ran and handled the best,
but it cost too much. Next time...
          Newer cars are far more reliable than the old ones. They
get far better mileage. They handle more safely. Some of them are more
comfortable, some not. All of them are neither easy nor cheap to fix.
The reliability/mileage/handling improvements come at the expense of
extensive electronic automation, with tiny circuits that can't be
repaired even if you understand electronics. Got to replace a whole
circuit board or box. Plastic is used everywhere because it looks
better and is quieter than sheet metal, and weighs a lot less. More
mileage, see. And fancier architecture. Exterior plastics don't rust,
and we demanded cars that don't rust. Now we need cars that don't
shatter when a shopping cart bangs into them.
         So we have the Cavalier, but I have a 1951 International
pickup. No plastic, no electronics, no comfort, and no mileage. Lots
of bumps, rattles, road noise, rotten handling, easy repairs, and
nostalgia. Gets lots of grins from the retired farmers around here.

        Dan
cuhulin@webtv.net - 27 Sep 2007 18:03 GMT
About a month ago, my married Irish lady friend (married to that Irish
guy, they are both Irish, she was born in Caherconlish, he was born in
Fethard,   www.fethard.com) in Bognor Regis,England, she got rid of that
Vauxhall car (company car) and on the same day, she got a new Fiat
Grande Punto 1.4 (company car) to drive around.Needless to say, she is
very happy with her new Fiat car.
cuhulin
hls - 27 Sep 2007 21:13 GMT
> About a month ago, my married Irish lady friend (married to that Irish
> guy, they are both Irish, she was born in Caherconlish, he was born in
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> very happy with her new Fiat car.
> cuhulin

Well, have you ever owned a Fiat?  It might arguably be a step down from the
Vauxhall for the longer term owner.   Italian cars and Italian women have a
similar
reputation.  At least the women dont rust away.

I have been to Bognor Regis.  They claim the haystacks glow in the dark;>)
cuhulin@webtv.net - 27 Sep 2007 22:05 GMT
She bought a new Fiat Uno hatchback car in 1989.One of the email photos
she emailed to me a few years ago, she is sitting in that 1989 Fiat Uno
car at a shopping center parking lot in Bognor Regis,England.A Fiat or
anything is a step up from a Vauxhall car.
cuhulin
Scott Dorsey - 28 Sep 2007 20:00 GMT
>Well, have you ever owned a Fiat?  It might arguably be a step down from the
>Vauxhall for the longer term owner.   Italian cars and Italian women have a
>similar
>reputation.  At least the women dont rust away.

Mmmm... hairy women and hairy cars...  My favorites...
--scott

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aarcuda69062 - 26 Sep 2007 16:09 GMT
> Bad News Bears movie is on tv.That great big Cadillac car that Walter
> Matthau drove, in the movie.Lots of room to stretch out and a car trunk
> big enough to haul a house.

You just described my second generation Dodge Intrepid.
 
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