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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / October 2007Headlight question: 1996 camaro z28
This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car has a 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. This ain't cheap at $25/pop for these 4351 sealed beam units. Can anyone recommend a cheaper, possibly higher performance conversion option? Thanks in advance, Josh P.S.: I've heard sparse recommendations (from parts counter staff) for dielectric grease on the terminals. Thoughts? > This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car has a > 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > P.S.: I've heard sparse recommendations (from parts counter staff) for > dielectric grease on the terminals. Thoughts? There are conversions available, how good they are I don't know. Might want to check with Daniel Stern. Stay away from "blue bulb" crap. Dielectric grease is a good idea, but it won't make the bulbs last any longer, they will just keep the connectors from corroding. good luck, nate  Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel >> This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car >> has a 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > nate you probley have either high voltage at the lights or low. you need to check it as the fix is different depending on which it is. KB SignatureThunder Snake #9 "Protect" your rights or "lose" them. > This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car has a 4 > bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. > > This ain't cheap at $25/pop for these 4351 sealed beam units. Have you checked the generator's output? Sounds like it's pushing too much voltage down the wires. Check the voltage at the headlight plugs and with the headlights in the circuit. Headlights on, engine on. What voltage are you getting at the plugs? More than 14 is bad, and may indicate a bad generator or regulator within it. Could also be a bad ground. > This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car has a 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > P.S.: I've heard sparse recommendations (from parts counter staff) for dielectric grease on the terminals. Thoughts? My headlights down burn out as fast as yours (1995 Camaro), but I do seem to replace them more than other vehicles I've had. At $20+ a pop, you do tend to notice the replacement cycle :) http://eurolamps.com/eurolamps/camaro_headlights.htm http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/94z/piaa.htm For more hits, use "camaro headlight conversion" (without quotes) at google. >This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car has a 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. > >This ain't cheap at $25/pop for these 4351 sealed beam units. How are they blowing out? You see black stuff on the inside of the bulb or not? >P.S.: I've heard sparse recommendations (from parts counter staff) for dielectric grease on the terminals. Thoughts? You should definitely use it. It will greatly prolong the life of the connectors. I doubt it will fix your problem at all, but twenty years down the road you'll be glad you did. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car has a > 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > P.S.: I've heard sparse recommendations (from parts counter staff) for > dielectric grease on the terminals. Thoughts? I have a '97 Camaro and I've never had a bulb burn out. Of course, with the turn signal DRLs I probably use them far less than you, but they should still last several years with normal use. I suspect the voltage to your headlights is too high, or there are voltage spikes. Measure the voltage at the battery, more than 14.5 is too much. Do you have the same problem with the fog lights? Here's one headlight upgrade which supposedly gives a substantial increase in seeing distance, and with replaceable bulbs too: http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/u/mulgeary/Hella90/ Ulf >> This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car has >> a 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Ulf That certainly looks better than what my web search turned up, which appeared to be stock sealed beams modified for replaceable bulbs. I'd be tempted to try the ones you posted, Hella generally makes a quality product. here are the actual headlamps used for that project: http://www.rallylights.com/hella/90mm_modules.asp I like it! nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel >>> This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car >>> has a 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > be tempted to try the ones you posted, Hella generally makes a quality > product. Are you thinking of replacing that old high maintenance 944 with a more durable and faster Camaro? I thought you already had e-codes on all your vehicles... > here are the actual headlamps used for that project: > > http://www.rallylights.com/hella/90mm_modules.asp > > I like it! Yup, I first saw that page a few years ago following a link from Daniel's page IIRC. Personally, I'm happy with the light from my stock low beams, and with the aid of a pair of driving lights the high beams are the best of all my vehicles. > nate Ulf >>>> This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car >>>> has a 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > durable and faster Camaro? I thought you already had e-codes on all your > vehicles... Nope, not at all... and yes, not counting the F-150 (for which they are sadly unavailable.) Was just still thinking about the OP's situtation... I seriously doubt I could find a Camaro for a price I could afford, which is NOT true of a 944. Of course, I have to admit to being partial to the first two generations of Camaro for styling reasons... nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel >>>>> This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car >>>>> has a 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Nope, not at all... and yes, not counting the F-150 (for which they are > sadly unavailable.) Was just still thinking about the OP's situtation... Yeah, I know, just teasing you a little... > I seriously doubt I could find a Camaro for a price I could afford, > which is NOT true of a 944. Of course, I have to admit to being partial > to the first two generations of Camaro for styling reasons... While I don't know the market price of a decent 944, I'm not surprised. Old cars that are expensive to maintain tend to be cheap, and "everyone" would rather have a 911 anyway. Still, it's probably better than a Sirocco. > nate Ulf > >>>>> This car eats headlights. For those of you not familiar, this car > >>>>> has a 4 bulb system. It burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Old cars that are expensive to maintain tend to be cheap, and "everyone" > would rather have a 911 anyway. Still, it's probably better than a Sirocco. Funny you should mention that... I loved my old Scirocco and am still kicking myself for selling it. I'd buy it back in a second if I knew where it was today, and I haven't seen a decent one on the market at all in quite some time. Every now and then I'll even search eBay for one and come up dry. If I could find a rust free round-headlight roccet, I'd buy it, no matter how ragged the mechanicals were. But for reference, you could probably pick up a decent, running 944 (naturally aspirated) from anywhere from $2-4K depending on location. $10K will probably get you a near-show condition Turbo. $15K should get you a modified Turbo that will eat 'vettes for lunch. Sure, "everyone" would rather have a 911, but for a driver, a '44 is probably more practical. It's actually a better handling car than a 911 (heresy!) and doesn't have near the lift-throttle oversteer issues which can be fun for an experienced driver on a track, but scary if you're just trying to get to work in a snowstorm. nate > Funny you should mention that... I loved my old Scirocco and am still > kicking myself for selling it. I'd buy it back in a second if I knew > where it was today, and I haven't seen a decent one on the market at > all in quite some time. Every now and then I'll even search eBay for > one and come up dry. If I could find a rust free round-headlight > roccet, I'd buy it, no matter how ragged the mechanicals were. You need to think outside the box. Here's what you do; Buy the cheapest Scirocco you can find on eBay or whatever, complete with all paperwork, and then buy an other one in mint condition from Germany. Transfer the VIN and the US-spec parts you like and you'll have a US "legal" Scirocco in great condition without spending an arm and a leg. Of course, you should have done this a few years ago when the dollar was worth twice as much. http://mobile.de/cgi-bin/index_cgi.pl?sprache=2 > But for reference, you could probably pick up a decent, running 944 > (naturally aspirated) from anywhere from $2-4K depending on location. > $10K will probably get you a near-show condition Turbo. $15K should > get you a modified Turbo that will eat 'vettes for lunch. No thanks, I'm about to buy an apartment for over $100,000 so I need to keep my expenses under control. Besides, four cars and a motorcycle is more than enough... > Sure, "everyone" would rather have a 911, but for a driver, a '44 is > probably more practical. It's actually a better handling car than a > 911 (heresy!) and doesn't have near the lift-throttle oversteer issues > which can be fun for an experienced driver on a track, but scary if > you're just trying to get to work in a snowstorm. Well, you do have the weight on the drive wheels, and I like powerslides. :-) http://youtube.com/watch?v=3UgnCr8JxHc > nate Ulf >> Funny you should mention that... I loved my old Scirocco and am still >> kicking myself for selling it. I'd buy it back in a second if I knew [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://mobile.de/cgi-bin/index_cgi.pl?sprache=2 Last time I looked, there weren't any US-spec ones for sale, period :( nate >> But for reference, you could probably pick up a decent, running 944 >> (naturally aspirated) from anywhere from $2-4K depending on location. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> > Ulf Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel >>> Funny you should mention that... I loved my old Scirocco and am still >>> kicking myself for selling it. I'd buy it back in a second if I knew [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Last time I looked, there weren't any US-spec ones for sale, period :( The point is that you buy a Euro-spec one in Europe, and equip it with US-spec parts from your "parts car." Voila, you have a mint condition US-spec Scirocco... > nate > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> >> Ulf Ulf > >>> Funny you should mention that... I loved my old Scirocco and am still > >>> kicking myself for selling it. I'd buy it back in a second if I knew [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > US-spec parts from your "parts car." Voila, you have a mint condition > US-spec Scirocco... I don't have *any* Scirocco in any condition, is the problem with that plan... do a search on eBay Motors for "scirocco" and you'll see the issue. Where did they all go? They surely ALL weren't either scrapped or sold to collectors...? I mean, they were made from 1974 to 1988 (later in Europe) so you'd think one or two would pop up for sale occasionally. Also, the authorities may take a dim view of your plan... to some people what you suggest would be similar to taking, say, a 318 Barracuda and a clapped out Hemi and doing a Vulcan car meld, and apparently that is a big no-no. nate >>>>> Funny you should mention that... I loved my old Scirocco and am still >>>>> kicking myself for selling it. I'd buy it back in a second if I knew [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > (later in Europe) so you'd think one or two would pop up for sale > occasionally. The rotted out 'really' fast around here. I remember friends freaked about it, nothing left for a subframe to bolt to.... Haven't seen one in years. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Also, the authorities may take a dim view of your plan... to some > people what you suggest would be similar to taking, say, a 318 > Barracuda and a clapped out Hemi and doing a Vulcan car meld, and > apparently that is a big no-no. > > nate > >>>>> Funny you should mention that... I loved my old Scirocco and am still > >>>>> kicking myself for selling it. I'd buy it back in a second if I knew [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > about it, nothing left for a subframe to bolt to.... Haven't seen one > in years. That is odd, mine held up really well, and so did my '84 GTI. I wonder when VW started using paraffin undercoating, that stuff is great. nate Josh wrote: (1996 Camaro Z28) This car eats headlights. It has a 4 bulb system and it burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. This ain't cheap at $25/pop for these 4351 sealed beam units. Can anyone recommend a cheaper, possibly higher performance conversion option? P.S.: I've heard sparse recommendations (from parts counter staff) for dielectric grease on the terminals. Thoughts? _________________________________________________ Excess heat shortens bulb life. 1.) Make sure the connections are not corroded and that the wires are not partiallly broken, generating excess heat. 2.) Consider using a fatter wire or a ground strap on the bulb socket to carry away excess heat. 3.) Provide clearance around the socket & connector to allow air cooling for excess heat. 4.) Use thermal dielectric grease in the connectors to help conduct into the wiring the excess heat. Good luck. Rodan. >Josh wrote: (1996 Camaro Z28) > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Rodan. My 96 Z28SS (bought new) has never burned out a headlight. I suspect you have one of the problems listed above or perhaps an overvoltage problem. >Josh wrote: (1996 Camaro Z28) >This car eats headlights. It has a 4 bulb system and it >burns out probably 3-4 low-beams in a year. This ain't >cheap at $25/pop for these 4351 sealed beam units. >Can anyone recommend a cheaper, possibly higher >performance conversion option? You need a new voltage regulator. The too-high voltage on your electrical system will eat any bulbs you get unless, of course, you find some 17V bulbs. On most cars since '75 or so, the voltage regulator is internal to the alternator. Some overly computerized cars control it in the ECU, but I doubt any camero ever did that. If you pull the alternator and bring it into an auto-electric shop, they can replace the voltage regulator and save you the cost of a whole new alternator. |
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