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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / October 2007Two space parking
I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening doors. BUT- in my opinion these folks should park out on the end of the rows of spaces, NOT find the two closest adjacent spots. What do you guys think? i had a car i owned repainted once. the first few dings really hurt. after a while it doesn't matter any more. I have never had a new car. Some of these guys park off at the far end of the parking lot. then the clampetts roll into town and park their truck right next to them. damn hill billies. > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of spaces, NOT find the two closest adjacent spots. What do you guys > think? I think that 'anyone' that needs two spaces to park should be taken off the road. Either their skills or judgment is impaired. I see this all the time and it isn't with 'new' vehicles. It is either kids that were never taught how to drive or senile people that have forgotten how to drive or just plain a.sholes that don't give a damn. None of them deserve the privilege to drive. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) I agree with that to a point, however, there does seem to be an insidious trend towards smaller and smaller parking spaces in urban areas likely to be able to cram the required number of spaces for a business into the very small space available without having to build a multi-level parking structure. there is a Harris Teeter near my house that I find difficult to shop at; even driving a Porsche 944 I barely have enough space to park between the lines. Driving a full-sized SUV, as many unfortunately do, the vehicle itself takes up the whole space leaving no room for the driver to exit. The lot is usually 95%+ full, so parking there is a bit of a challenge. I don't know if there are some minimum guidelines for the width of a parking space, but they're either very small or else not being applied in many areas. nate Some of those two space parkers are around here too.I think the cops should start handing out tickets to people who hog two (regular size) parking spaces. cuhulin > > > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > > > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > nate Driving a dually pickup, I do find I'm up to the lines on both sides, but at least the wider duallies keep others from parking absurdly close. Parking garages are a lot of fun with a crew cab dually with 168" wheelbase. I haven't found one I couldn't maneuver through, but it's an interesting experience. As for the diagonal parkers, those who do so deliberately should have their vehicles towed and impounded and those who lack the skills to park properly should have their licenses revoked. I've had the fun of watching someone in an Excursion try for 10 minutes to park their vehicle in a space, only to give up and look for another. When they moved on, I promptly parked my larger vehicle in the space they gave up on with no issues. I've also seen people in tiny little cars have a heck of a time parking them in spaces my truck would fit just fine. Personally I thing we need to set the standards for a basic drivers license at the level of a commercial class B license and also ban automatic transmissions. I expect those changes would remove a very large percentage of the bad drivers from the roads. > > > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > > > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > nate The worst kind of all are the nanny-spots that have a loop instead of a simple line. The mall near me has these and they leave absolutely no room for error. Every time I go there I have to pull in with my door open enough to see the stripe otherwise I'll be over on the passenger side. The lot at the library has spots that are about 4 feet deep. There are about 20 "spots" but after more than five or six cars have parked there the lot is unusable. I can't figure out why municipalities have codes that require a certain number of spots but don't define a reasonable minimum width and depth for those spots. Calvin > > > > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > > > > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > door open enough to see the stripe otherwise I'll be over on the > passenger side. Add some rotating convex circular blind spot mirrors to your side mirrors. These are less than $5 at most auto parts stores. Rotate them so that the angle those mirrors makes it so that lower sides of the vehicle are visible. It will then be possible to see the white parking lines, or the curb when parallel parking, so that opening the door will no longer be necessary to see the parking lines. [snip...] > > > > > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in > a [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > [snip...] Normally all I have to do is lean forward and towards the window to get to the correct position to see the lines in the mirror without needing to adjust it or use add-on mirrors. > > > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > > > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > nate I think the spaces are same size as always. It is the VEHICLES which have changed- gotten bigger! Look at the size of those new pickups- enormous. > > > > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > > > > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > have changed- gotten bigger! Look at the size of those new pickups- > enormous. Nope, spaces definitely vary in size. I drive a big truck and am well aware of the varying width and depth of the marked spaces. > I think the spaces are same size as always. It is the VEHICLES which > have changed- gotten bigger! I'm pretty darn sure that the track width and wheelbase of my car are exactly the same as when she left the Windsor, Ontario assembly line in the winter of 1965.... :-p Spaces are DEFINITELY getting smaller. But that's still no excuse to park diagonally over 2 spaces. If the spaces are painted too small, I find one out in the parking-lot boonies with empty spaces on both sides and center up in it as best I can. I'm never over the lines on both sides, but I'm sometimes right ON the lines on both sides. Nothing I can do about that.... > I think the spaces are same size as always. I have seen many lots where new lines have been painted over old. And the new ones are always closer together. > It is the VEHICLES which > have changed- gotten bigger! Look at the size of those new pickups- > enormous. Maybe so overall, but how do they compare in *footprint* to a very common "intermediate" sedan from the '60s? (think Galaxie.) The new pickups are smaller or the same, I'll bet.  SignatureTegger > > I think the spaces are same size as always. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Tegger Exactly. A lot of people make a big fuss about these new huge SUVs, but the reality is that they are not any bigger or heavier than the station wagons of the 60s and 70s, just taller. Those "real" station wagons simply aren't available any more so the people who used to buy them now have to buy SUVs to get the same effective vehicle. Of course the SUV bashing eco-loons don't want to admit that. >> Maybe so overall, but how do they compare in *footprint* to a very >> common "intermediate" sedan from the '60s? (think Galaxie.) The new [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > them now have to buy SUVs to get the same effective vehicle. Of course > the SUV bashing eco-loons don't want to admit that. I just did a bit of very interesting research. Here are dimensions for two vehicles that served much the same market, 58 years apart. 1949 Ford Fordor ---------------- Wheelbase: 114" Overall length: 196" Overall width: 72" Overall height: 63" Engine: 239 cu in V8; 226 cu in I6 2007 Ford Explorer ------------------ Wheelbase: 114" Overall length: 193" Overall width: 73" Overall height: 73" Engine: 280 cu in V8 Look at that. The only major difference is the height. The footprints are identical. I cannot locate the curb weight of the '49 Fordor. The Explorer's is 4,706 lbs. Statistics from other cars around 1950 suggest the Explorer is probably at least 1,000 lbs heavier than the '49 Fordor. SignatureTegger >>>Maybe so overall, but how do they compare in *footprint* to a very >>>common "intermediate" sedan from the '60s? (think Galaxie.) The new [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > 4,706 lbs. Statistics from other cars around 1950 suggest the Explorer is > probably at least 1,000 lbs heavier than the '49 Fordor. I suspect you're right. My '62 Lark (a "compact," can you believe it? The thing was like a limo inside...) weighed in about 3300 lbs. and that was with that big chunk of Studie V-8 up front. You can't blame all the porkification on simply being an SUV though; federally mandated equipment has added some weight as well. nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel > Look at that. The only major difference is the height. The footprints are > identical. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Tegger I had a '51 Ford tudoor. Its weight was around 3200 lbs. On Oct 9, 8:36 am, Don Stauffer in Minnesota <stauf...@usfamily.net> wrote: > > > > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > > > > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I've noticed that new commercial developments and restriped lots are going to smaller spaces. I have to back my truck into some of thes spots like a teenager on a learner's permit :-) Toyota MDT in MO >I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening > doors. Anyone doing this deserves to have their car keyed. > "Don Stauffer in Minnesota" <stauffer@usfamily.net> wrote... >>I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a >> parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening >> doors. > > Anyone doing this deserves to have their car keyed. That, and their roof and hood lined with Peeps on a hot day. SignatureOne phrase that explains 99% of all idiot driving: "You can't block traffic if you're not in the way." > > "Don Stauffer in Minnesota" <stauf...@usfamily.net> wrote... > >>I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That, and their roof and hood lined with Peeps on a hot day. Ha, PEEPS!!! That's priceless advice! Mmmm, there's nothing like a BMW X5 Easter smore. Toyota MDT in MO > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of spaces, NOT find the two closest adjacent spots. What do you guys > think? To me it would be common courtesy to park at the furthest reaches of the parking lot where no one ever goes. Hogging two spots where everyone else parks is plain boorish selfishness. SignatureTegger > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of spaces, NOT find the two closest adjacent spots. What do you guys > think? They should have to park on the end of the rows so that they are only occupying one space and then are partially overlapping a no-parking area. The local parking patrol can then decide whether or not they assess a parking-in-a-no-parking-zone violation. Otherwise, if they park in two spaces, and it is a paid parking lot, they should have to pay for two spaces. If they didn't pay for two spaces, then the vehicle should be cited or towed away as appropriate for the given lot, basically for occupying a space that was not paid for. >I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of spaces, NOT find the two closest adjacent spots. What do you guys > think? About 35 years ago wife and 2 small children in our 1970 suburban went to a shopping center. When she came back to vehicle cars were parked on both sides so close that they just cleared the mirrors. No way wife could open either door. The 2 cars were pointed in opposite directions so the drivers could get out. Wife had to open tailgate and crawl over the seats to get into driver seat. She pulled out, loaded the boys and then left a note on each windshield IN LIPSTICK. Bet they had fun cleaning that off. > About 35 years ago wife and 2 small children in our 1970 suburban went to > a shopping center. When she came back to vehicle cars were parked on both [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to get into driver seat. She pulled out, loaded the boys and then left a > note on each windshield IN LIPSTICK. Bet they had fun cleaning that off. best answer so far. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > could get out. Wife had to open tailgate and crawl over the seats to get > into driver seat. She pulled out, loaded the boys and then left a note on > each windshield IN LIPSTICK. Bet they had fun cleaning that off. ;) I once returned to my work van to find an angry driver unable to get her car out because I'd accidently blocked her in :P First thing I did was point out she didn't have a permit for the parking space and had forced me to park sticking out into the road. I did get my van kicked for that, but wasn't my property :) I've also also had a pleasant experience with a parking warden who caught me red handed, he said "I don't mind you parking in the wrong direction, I don't mind you parking on yellow lines, but when you do both that's when I have a problem". >I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a >parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >of spaces, NOT find the two closest adjacent spots. What do you guys >think? I agree. If I wasn't so nice I'd key them. > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of spaces, NOT find the two closest adjacent spots. What do you guys > think? I think people that drive old beaters should gang up on 2-space hogs and block the SOBs in whenever possible. Its just plain rude behavior to claim 2 spaces. I don't like my doors dinged either, so I find wide spaces, and I'm willing to walk further, but I WILL NOT occupy 2 spaces. And when I am in my old beater, I will go out of my way to park (legally) in the space next to a 2-space hog to block the idiot in. > > I can understand owners of new vehicles parking across two spaces in a > > parking lot, so others will not ding or scratch finish when opening [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And when I am in my old beater, I will go out of my way to park > (legally) in the space next to a 2-space hog to block the idiot in. The only time I take up more than one space is when the spaces are marked too small, which is most common in the length direction where I need 22'. I did once have to take up six spaces at a hotel, but I had a 24' trailer in tow for 50' OAL and across six spaces was the only way to park and not block lanes. |
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