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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / November 2007

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What is this tape called that i'm thinking of?

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N8N - 05 Nov 2007 16:32 GMT
Hi all,

I'm preparing to do a partial suspension rebuild on my '88 Porsche 944
(as soon as I get my new struts from Paragon, but that's another story
for another time...) anyway, the last time I had my head under the car
I noticed that the harnesses for the brake pad wear sensors were in
pretty bad shape - the wires themselves are fine but the outer jacket
of the harness is pretty much completely disintegrated.  Normally I'd
like to slide heat shrink over this to protect it but the connector is
large enough that that wouldn't be a neat solution.  I seem to
remember seeing that there was some kind of tape available that wasn't
adhesive like regular electrical tape, but after application would
actually "weld" to itself, forming a nice waterproof and non-peeling
protective layer.  Problem is, I can't remember if I saw it in a
store, on a TV show, or at a friend's garage, and I also can't
remember what the official name of the stuff was.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?  Know what it's called?  Can
advise whether this would be a good solution to my problem?  Know
where I could buy some, if it is?

thanks much,

Nate
frank@iupshot.com - 05 Nov 2007 17:34 GMT
Might you be thinking of shrink tubing/shrink wrap? I believe you
slide it over the wiring and apply a heat gun to shrink the material.
It is commercially available. I believe I saw some at Autozone in
their electrical department.

F
Comboverfish - 05 Nov 2007 17:45 GMT
On Nov 5, 11:34 am, fr...@iupshot.com wrote:
> Might you be thinking of shrink tubing/shrink wrap? I believe you
> slide it over the wiring and apply a heat gun to shrink the material.
> It is commercially available. I believe I saw some at Autozone in
> their electrical department.

I doubt it, since he typed: " Normally I'd
like to slide heat shrink over this to protect it but the connector
is
large enough that that wouldn't be a neat solution."

Toyota MDT in MO
Comboverfish - 05 Nov 2007 18:00 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> Nate

I don't know the name offhand, but the type we get looks like a roll
of electrical tape.  It is (was) from Wurth and the label was written
at least partly in German.  There are no unopened rolls left to look
at and my existing roll has nothing stamped on it.  Apparently the
only wording was on the discarded paper label under the plastic shrink
wrap.  Anyway, this stuff forms a cohesive bond, particularly when it
is stretched first.  It is kind of a PITA to work with in cramped
quarters.  There is a plasticy fabric release strip rolled up with the
tape since the tape material sticks equally on both sides.

I have two viable suggestions.

1) Clean the harness and wrap in regular electrical tape, then use two
small wireties, one at each end of the tape, to keep it from
unravelling.

2) My choice: remove the wires from the harness connector, then apply
shrink tubing, then replace the wires.  There should be plastic tabs
retaining the metal terminals, you need to pry on those tabs in the
correct direction and lightly pull the wires out one at a time.
Sometimes there is an added retainer mechanism, kind of like a tiny
comb, that needs to be pulled partially out of the connector body
before performing the above step.  You're smart, you'll figure it out
in no time (assuming you don't already know).  Just have a small thin
pick handy.

Toyota MDT in MO

PS  if you can find small diameter corrugated plastic tubing, that
would make a really durable jacket.
Noozer - 05 Nov 2007 20:25 GMT
On Nov 5, 10:32 am, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm preparing to do a partial suspension rebuild on my '88 Porsche 944
> (as soon as I get my new struts from Paragon, but that's another story
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> store, on a TV show, or at a friend's garage, and I also can't
> remember what the official name of the stuff was.

Would it be "friction tape" that you're trying to remember?
N8N - 05 Nov 2007 20:31 GMT
> On Nov 5, 10:32 am, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Would it be "friction tape" that you're trying to remember?

No, although I have friction tape.  Maybe I should use that for an
overwrap?  I generally just use the friction tape where I tie
harnesses or hoses off with clamps or zip ties.

nate
cuhulin@webtv.net - 05 Nov 2007 20:57 GMT
There is a certain kind of/name brand of super tape (I don't remember
the name of it now) that some Ham Radio operators use to water proof
wire/cable connections to outdoor antennas.When you apply the tape, the
wire to antenna connections stay waterproof forever.Check with
www.hamradiooutlet.com    and see if they sell the tape.If they don't,
ask them who does.Marine supply stores are another good place to check
too.
cuhulin
larry moe 'n curly - 07 Nov 2007 03:08 GMT
>  I seem to remember seeing that there was some kind of tape available
> that wasn't adhesive like regular electrical tape, but after application would
> actually "weld" to itself, forming a nice waterproof and non-peeling
> protective layer.

Silicone fusion tape will do that.  Radio Shack may still sell it.
Thomas Tornblom - 05 Nov 2007 21:26 GMT
Self vulcanizing tape.
spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 05 Nov 2007 18:01 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Nate

Rubber electrical tape will do this, its quite a bit thicker than
standard electrical tape.

I want to say self-vulcanizing tape / self-vulcanizing electrical
tape? Googling that looks promising.

Dave
Mike Romain - 05 Nov 2007 18:02 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Nate

3M splicing tape is the good stuff.  The local auto parts stores sell
some thin junk that sort of welds to itself, no it sticks to itself, the
3M stuff welds solid...

http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/utilities_telecom/electrical_contractor
s/node_GSG9JNTVZCbe/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSBCDFDZ1Zge/gvel_LJLFLP2Q4Dgl/theme
_us_electricalcontractors_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html


Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08
N8N - 05 Nov 2007 18:46 GMT
> > Hi all,
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

yeah, the 2155 or 70 appears to be what I was thinking of - would
either one of these work, do you think?

thanks,

nate
Mike Romain - 05 Nov 2007 21:07 GMT
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm preparing to do a partial suspension rebuild on my '88 Porsche 944
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> nate

I have used the 2155 on a lot of harnesses open to the undersides of
vehicles with great success.  No failures in over ten years.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08
N8N - 05 Nov 2007 21:39 GMT
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> I'm preparing to do a partial suspension rebuild on my '88 Porsche 944
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> I have used the 2155 on a lot of harnesses open to the undersides of
> vehicles with great success.  No failures in over ten years.

Excellent.  have you ever had the need to cut into one of the
harnesses so wrapped?  Does it stick to the wires as well or only to
itself?  I'm thinking this might be what I end up doing here.  I'll
probably replace the sensors and their pigtails at my next brake job,
but the "rot" extends back into the body harness as well and that
definitely needs to be fixed - replacing a wiring harness on a Porsche
does not fall into the category of "things I'd like to spend my
Saturday doing."

thanks,

nate
cuhulin@webtv.net - 06 Nov 2007 01:08 GMT
Coax Seal.That is the tape I was thinking about.    www.coaxseal.com
cuhulin
Mike Romain - 06 Nov 2007 14:54 GMT
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I'm preparing to do a partial suspension rebuild on my '88 Porsche 944
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>
> nate

It only sticks to itself so it can be cut off.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08
N8N - 06 Nov 2007 13:51 GMT
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> I'm preparing to do a partial suspension rebuild on my '88 Porsche 944
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> I have used the 2155 on a lot of harnesses open to the undersides of
> vehicles with great success.  No failures in over ten years.

Well I tried to buy some 2155 last night to try a test wrap, HD had a
space for it on the shelf but no stock.  Guess I'll have to add it to
my next order from McMaster-Carr :(

nate
Scott Dorsey - 06 Nov 2007 16:51 GMT
>yeah, the 2155 or 70 appears to be what I was thinking of - would
>either one of these work, do you think?

We use the Scotch 70 tape for antenna connections and other outside
wiring applications, and it's good stuff.  I recommend it.  However,
it is very thick.

I don't know what the 2155 is like, but check what the thickness is.
If it's thinner than the 70, you might prefer it for small work.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Mike Romain - 06 Nov 2007 17:05 GMT
>> yeah, the 2155 or 70 appears to be what I was thinking of - would
>> either one of these work, do you think?
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> If it's thinner than the 70, you might prefer it for small work.
> --scott

It is fairly thick but does stretch.  This makes it really tough though.
 I personally don't like the thin 'no name' stuff because I have seen
rubbing wear and ding damage on it.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08
Andy Dingley - 05 Nov 2007 21:38 GMT
>remember seeing that there was some kind of tape available that wasn't
>adhesive like regular electrical tape, but after application would
>actually "weld" to itself, forming a nice waterproof and non-peeling
>protective layer.  

Self-amalgamating tape.

Useful stuff, buy it from a car electrics specialist  (RS components or
Vehicle Wiring Products in the UK).

Be warned that there are several different rubbers that will do this.
Some work better than others for different purposes - for car work, you
probably want one that remains flexible afterwards, rather than ultimate
sealing. The car electrics place will probably have something suitable.
Scott Buchanan - 06 Nov 2007 17:45 GMT
I know it as stretch tape. Go here http://www.mcmaster.com/ and use their
search engine. You'll probably find just what you are looking for. I use it
for supplies for work and I think that will sell to the general public. It
is a well done website that any gearhead will like.

You can get liquid electrical tape where you brush it on and let it dry. It
is not real pretty but it works.

You may be able to remove the metal connectors from the plastic housing so
that you can get shrink tubing on to the wires. All the ones that I needed
to work on have a tab that can be deflected with a wire, pin or other tool
then pull the connector out of the housing.

> Hi all,
>
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>
> Nate
Steve - 19 Nov 2007 15:34 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> store, on a TV show, or at a friend's garage, and I also can't
> remember what the official name of the stuff was.

3M Rubber Splicing Tape. AKA "Self-vulcanizing tape." Also available
from other brands.

Great stuff, but be prepared to have to CUT it off. Also, it is a great
weather seal, but for long-term exposure you really should put it on,
then wrap the whole affair in regular electrical tape or something to
provide abrasion and UV/ozone resistance.
N8N - 19 Nov 2007 18:44 GMT
> > Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> then wrap the whole affair in regular electrical tape or something to
> provide abrasion and UV/ozone resistance.

yeah, I found it...  bought a couple rolls from the second Home Despot
I went to.  Now I just need to actually get my suspension parts (on
order for something like six weeks now... was hoping to get this done
before it got cold; it's already too late.  Grr.)

nate
 
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