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Do politicians really think this about our california auto/mc taxes?

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Deborah Speer - 15 Nov 2007 13:12 GMT
Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, echoed Perata's sentiment, adding
that wiping out the increase in the fee has resulted in "squandering $20
billion (since 2003) so that an average car owner can pocket $200 a year."

reference
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/11/15/MN16TCG3A.DTL

What galls me about this statement is the obviously reverse logic.
I ask the probing question (as I do not know this man).

Does he REALLY think this way?
If so, he is a dangerous man.
Am I reading this right?

Deb
Paul - 15 Nov 2007 23:08 GMT
> Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, echoed Perata's sentiment, adding
> that wiping out the increase in the fee has resulted in "squandering $20
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>
> Deb

Deb,

You are so right. He is dangerous and the majority in Sacramento

I go to Sacramento every year to lobby for Motorcycle rights and am
amazed at the arrogance and ignorance exhibited there.

Come on up to Sacramento with us next year and see for yourself how low
your representatives regard you. And from what I have seen / heard you
don't have to be a biker to be treated like sh.t.

Then again, YMMV!

Paul
cuhulin@webtv.net - 15 Nov 2007 23:35 GMT
Anything goes in California.Either today or yesterday, Britney Spears
ran over another paparazzi guy's foot.Of course it was mostly his fault
because he got too close to her car.How the court system over there
still allows her to drive is beyond me.One of Saddam Hussein's cars was
tricked out.The car had a propane tank in the trunk that was hooked up
to some pipes under both sides of the car.If anybody got too close, they
got their feet blasted off.That car was auctioned on eBay.
cuhulin
barb - 16 Nov 2007 16:08 GMT
> Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, echoed Perata's sentiment, adding
> that wiping out the increase in the fee has resulted in "squandering $20
> billion (since 2003) so that an average car owner can pocket $200 a year."

Wait...SQUANDER??? Oh, heaven forbid anyone take that measly $200 a year
and spend it on food, rent, gas during a time where the top officials
seem to think the public is a never-ending source of funds!

So Perata and Leno think that allowing Cali citizens a paltry couple
hundred bucks extra is SQUANDERING?

Oh, yeah. I guess some fatassed politicians might have to go without a
few jaunts, a few dinners, a few football games. How DARE Joe Citizen
waste that money on things like medical care! Talk about a sense of
entitlement. Talk about being out of touch with reality.

Things are no better down here in San Diego though. We have our own set
of corrupt, unethical politicians. They all dance to the same master's
tune, though. Unfortunately, the people aren't the orchestra.

> reference
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/11/15/MN16TCG3A.DTL
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Deb

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cuhulin@webtv.net - 16 Nov 2007 17:43 GMT
I know a woman by the name of Barb.(Barbara) She is from
Limerick,Ireland and she works at a pub in Buckhead, Atlanta area.I am
her number one fan club.
cuhulin
* - 17 Nov 2007 09:16 GMT
cuhulin@webtv.net wrote in article
<29868-473DD6AB-392@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>...
> I know a woman by the name of Barb.(Barbara) She is from
> Limerick,Ireland and she works at a pub in Buckhead, Atlanta area.I am
> her number one fan club.
> cuhulin

??????

WTF does THAT have to do with the thread subject matter?
P. Roehling - 18 Nov 2007 05:58 GMT
> Does he REALLY think this way?
> If so, he is a dangerous man.
> Am I reading this right?

You are ignoring something instead.

California's operating deficit over the last three years totals 9.8
*billion* dollars, and it will continue to grow worse this coming year as
the politicos in Sacramento are facing unrealistic voters who want all the
State's many services to continue unabated and yet don't want to pay for
them via increased taxes. This makes financially responsible State officials
unhappy and they sometimes even get grumpy about the situation and speak
poorly of the electorate as a result.

But should you tell your elected officials that you either want to pay
higher taxes or tell them which services you want them to cut, and enough of
you do it, then they will probably stop thinking -and saying- that they need
your money more badly than you do.
Mike Nelson - 18 Nov 2007 08:08 GMT
> But should you tell your elected officials that you either want to pay
> higher taxes or tell them which services you want them to cut, and enough of
> you do it, then they will probably stop thinking -and saying- that they need
> your money more badly than you do.

No!  We vote to borrow the money
to pay for all the stuff we want,
and let our kids and grandkids
pay it back with interest.
P. Roehling - 18 Nov 2007 19:32 GMT
>> But should you tell your elected officials that you either want to pay
>> higher taxes or tell them which services you want them to cut, and enough
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and let our kids and grandkids
> pay it back with interest.

Got it in one.
Alan Moore - 18 Nov 2007 22:39 GMT
>>> But should you tell your elected officials that you either want to pay
>>> higher taxes or tell them which services you want them to cut, and enough
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Got it in one.

Well, almost.  Here in California, we are host to a number of people
who have no intention of remaining here for the long term, but rather,
to make a fortune and then go home. So they vote to borrow the money
for the stuff they want and let our kids and grandkids pay it back.
With interest.

Al Moore
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The Man Behind The Curtain - 18 Nov 2007 21:51 GMT
>> Does he REALLY think this way?
>> If so, he is a dangerous man.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> State's many services to continue unabated and yet don't want to pay for
> them via increased taxes.

Why should they?  The current tax levels were supposed to be enough so
that the politicians wouldn't come back to the trough.  But they keep
doing it.  We pass measure after measure after measure after measure
after measure that alleges to pay for something "for the children, "for
safety," "to fight terror," etc.  How many times do we have to pay for
the same things?  Where's the accountability for this money?

John

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barb - 19 Nov 2007 01:00 GMT
>>> Does he REALLY think this way?
>>> If so, he is a dangerous man.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> John

Apparently, Cali will just count on Indian Gaming to bail us out.
What if we quit gambling?

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P. Roehling - 19 Nov 2007 01:39 GMT
> Why should they?  The current tax levels were supposed to be enough so
> that the politicians wouldn't come back to the trough.

Only according to the wonderful folks who were promoting those measures for
their own purposes.

> We pass measure after measure after measure after measure after measure
> that alleges to pay for something "for the children, "for safety," "to
> fight terror," etc.

Bingo. You can stop after "we pass".

> Where's the accountability for this money?

Ultimately, it's in the voting booth.
John S. - 19 Nov 2007 15:00 GMT
> Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, echoed Perata's sentiment, adding
> that wiping out the increase in the fee has resulted in "squandering $20
> billion (since 2003) so that an average car owner can pocket $200 a year."

The statement by Leno and Perata is either utter nonsense or political
claptrap, but  it makes no sense.  It the politicians decided to not
to impose an increase in DMV fees that just means the state will have
to collect the money in some other way.  The act of not increasing and
thereby having nothing new to collect does NOT result in any
squandering of public money - there was no money to be squandered.

> referencehttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/11/15/MN16TC...
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Does he REALLY think this way?
> If so, he is a dangerous man.

That's a very strong over-statement given that we are talking about
revenue DMV licensing fees.  In which ways is he dangerous.

> Am I reading this right?

No.

> Deb
philthy - 24 Nov 2007 23:10 GMT
they are to busy worrying about gay people and making sure they have more rights
than everyone else and speading the filth that occurs at the leather festival to
care about tax sh.t. like trying to pass laws that teachers can't call mom and
dad! mom and dad but parents

> Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, echoed Perata's sentiment, adding
> that wiping out the increase in the fee has resulted in "squandering $20
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Deb
 
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