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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / November 2007

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Brake Bleeder Preference

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Steve W. - 20 Nov 2007 22:26 GMT
Pressure or vacuum type? How about the pump style pressure units with no
separate chamber for fluid?
I've got a friend looking for one for his home garage.
I use an older KD pressure set-up but he doesn't like the price. I
figure the folks on here might have a few options he could look at.

So what do you use?
Would you buy something else?

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Nate Nagel - 20 Nov 2007 23:28 GMT
> Pressure or vacuum type? How about the pump style pressure units with no
> separate chamber for fluid?
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> So what do you use?
> Would you buy something else?

I like pressure over vacuum, and the Motive Products unit is
surprisingly useful for the price.

nate

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Steve W. - 20 Nov 2007 23:33 GMT
>> Pressure or vacuum type? How about the pump style pressure units with
>> no separate chamber for fluid?
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>
> nate

That is the one he was looking at. I take it you have one? Anything to
watch out for?

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Nate Nagel - 20 Nov 2007 23:37 GMT
>>> Pressure or vacuum type? How about the pump style pressure units with
>>> no separate chamber for fluid?
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> That is the one he was looking at. I take it you have one? Anything to
> watch out for?

yup, I've had one for years, only peeve is the lack of a swivel in the
hose (I use it on cars with screw-on reservoir caps.)  I think they may
have included a swivel now.  Anyway I've had no issues with it at all
other than that.

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philthy - 22 Nov 2007 12:32 GMT
save your money just bled brakes starting in rt.rr and then lt.rr
then rt.ft then lt.ft keep track of fliud used so you know there has been air removal

> Pressure or vacuum type? How about the pump style pressure units with no
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mechanic_412@yahoo.com - 25 Nov 2007 01:38 GMT
> Pressure or vacuum type? How about the pump style pressure units with no
> separate chamber for fluid?
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> he'd have become a vegan.
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try speedi bleed it a press bleeder that hooks up to the m/c cap and
use tire press it works great cost about 200
tomasz.kk@gmail.com - 28 Nov 2007 19:40 GMT
i like the idea of vacuum bleeding but it didn't work in my case.  I
used vacuum from the intake manifold,  just had to route long hose to
the bottle, and then the other hose to the brake bleeder.  like in
this topic: http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=161765

With the engine running, a little more then idle the vacuum was very
strong,  but all i could suck out was the air,  which went into the
caliper through the thread of the bleeder and then was coming out
through the bleeder hole into my bottle.

Anyway two person method, one in the car pumping the brake pedal, and
the other person collecting the fluid works the best for me.

Recently i bought at rockauto the brake bleeders with one-way valve,
i haven't tried them yet but they suppose to make the job a walk in
the park!
These are for Ford vehicles, i don't know if they are available for
other brands.
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Steve W. - 29 Nov 2007 00:01 GMT
> i like the idea of vacuum bleeding but it didn't work in my case.  I
> used vacuum from the intake manifold,  just had to route long hose to
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> other brands.
> http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8163/dscf0710gb5.jpg

SpeedBleeders. They work good BUT you need to make real sure that you
keep them from getting rusted and full of crud. I use them on many of my
vehicles.

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Nate Nagel - 29 Nov 2007 01:21 GMT
>> i like the idea of vacuum bleeding but it didn't work in my case.  I
>> used vacuum from the intake manifold,  just had to route long hose to
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> keep them from getting rusted and full of crud. I use them on many of my
> vehicles.

I don't like vacuum bleeders simply for the reasons mentioned, they suck
air around the bleeder screw threads.  Some pipe tape can mitigate this,
but pressure bleeders always work.

Bleeding by pumping the brake pedal can wipe out an old master cylinder
as the seals travel over long-unused sections of the bore.  I've had
this happen on at least two cars that I can remember, possibly more.  In
a pinch, if you have to bleed and don't have any equipment, I'd stick a
2x4 under the brake pedal to limit its travel so this doesn't happen.

nate

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