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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2007

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Replace 1994 Escort Fuel Pump at 200,000?

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westwindwood2003@yahoo.com - 24 Nov 2007 21:00 GMT
I have a Ford Escort with the 1.9 engine that has never had the
electric fuel pump replaced.  It has almost 200,000 miles on the
odometer and there are no problems.  I use this car for long trips and
was wondering if it would be prudent to replace the fuel pump.  How
long does a fuel pump last?
philthy - 24 Nov 2007 23:16 GMT
check fuel pressure and if it is below spec replace
make sure you do a fuel filter

> I have a Ford Escort with the 1.9 engine that has never had the
> electric fuel pump replaced.  It has almost 200,000 miles on the
> odometer and there are no problems.  I use this car for long trips and
> was wondering if it would be prudent to replace the fuel pump.  How
> long does a fuel pump last?
dahpater - 25 Nov 2007 00:58 GMT
On Nov 24, 4:00 pm, westwindwood2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have a Ford Escort with the 1.9 engine that has never had the
> electric fuel pump replaced.  It has almost 200,000 miles on the
> odometer and there are no problems.  I use this car for long trips and
> was wondering if it would be prudent to replace the fuel pump.  How
> long does a fuel pump last?

200,000 miles?!?! You've had it from day one?!?! If so, that's gotta
be a record and, put a pump in it!
westwindwood2003@yahoo.com - 25 Nov 2007 15:47 GMT
> On Nov 24, 4:00 pm, westwindwood2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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> 200,000 miles?!?! You've had it from day one?!?! If so, that's gotta
> be a record and, put a pump in it!

OK, thanks, will replace pump ASAP.
Scott Dorsey - 26 Nov 2007 19:18 GMT
> I have a Ford Escort with the 1.9 engine that has never had the
> electric fuel pump replaced.  It has almost 200,000 miles on the
> odometer and there are no problems.  I use this car for long trips and
> was wondering if it would be prudent to replace the fuel pump.  How
> long does a fuel pump last?

That's something of a miracle.

My suggestion: if the pump IS working, don't jinx it.  Go to the dealer
and buy a replacement OEM pump and keep it around in the trunk for when
you need it.  But the odds are the replacement pump won't be anywhere
near as long-lived as the one you have in there.
--scott

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scott21230@gmail.com - 28 Nov 2007 15:56 GMT
I would not replace the fuel pump unless I had a good reason to do
so.  200,000 miles is not a good reason.  That and as someone else
stated, replacement parts are often junk.  A better place to ask about
fuel pumps for this car is at http://www.feoa.net

That and suposedly they are very easy to change on this car, but at
about 160,000 miles, my 1995 LX still has the original.
Doc - 28 Nov 2007 22:03 GMT
On Nov 24, 4:00 pm, westwindwood2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have a Ford Escort with the 1.9 engine that has never had the
> electric fuel pump replaced.  It has almost 200,000 miles on the
> odometer and there are no problems.  

I was wondering the same thing. My Toyota Cressida has 130K on it, as
far as I know it's the original fuel pump.

My brother made the assertion that you should always fill the tank at
1/2 way because the pump being immersed in gas cools it and lengthens
its life.

Any thoughts?
johngdole@hotmail.com - 29 Nov 2007 04:33 GMT
Or at least more than 1/4 tank to keep the pump cool. I second that.
In general the pump should outlast the engine unless you get a tank of
rust from an old station (see Diagnostic Flyer below).

Also, make sure you regularly change out the fuel filter so the pump
doesn't have to work too hard. A typical, periodic current test should
show that, for example, the pump always draws 4-6 amps. I change out
the wimpy Toyota inline filter every 30K miles, so didn't bother to
test current draw. In-take ones are usually good for 100K+ miles.

http://www.airtexproducts.com/AIRTEXpdfs/FSDiagnosticFlyer.pdf

> On Nov 24, 4:00 pm, westwindwood2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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>
> Any thoughts?
Ray O - 29 Nov 2007 05:13 GMT
> On Nov 24, 4:00 pm, westwindwood2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I have a Ford Escort with the 1.9 engine that has never had the
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>
> Any thoughts?

I'm not sure about a Ford Escort, but Toyota fuel pumps do not have to be
immersed to be cooled because the fuel flowing through the pump is
sufficient.  On your Cressida, filling the tank at 1/4 is often enough to
keep the fuel filter cool.  Toyota electric fuel pumps are generally very
reliable.
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johngdole@hotmail.com - 30 Nov 2007 01:40 GMT
Fuel flows through all the pumps I know. 1/4 tank should ensure about
half the pump is in fuel.

> I'm not sure about a Ford Escort, but Toyota fuel pumps do not have to be
> immersed to be cooled because the fuel flowing through the pump is
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> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
C. E. White - 30 Nov 2007 17:00 GMT
"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> I'm not sure about a Ford Escort, but Toyota fuel pumps do not have to be
> immersed to be cooled because the fuel flowing through the pump is
> sufficient.  On your Cressida, filling the tank at 1/4 is often enough to
> keep the fuel filter cool.  Toyota electric fuel pumps are generally very
> reliable.

The Ford pumps also have the fuel pass through the pumps to cool them.
However, even in this case chronically running the car with only a few
gallons in the tank can cause problems. Older cars (Ford, Toyota, GMs, etc.)
all had single speed pumps that were sized to provide excess fuel to the
engine under all conditions. There is a pressure regulator at the engine
with a return line back to the tank. Because you are circulating the excess
gas through the system back to the tank, the gas in the tank can get quite
warm, reducing its ability to cool the pump, particularly when driving on a
hot day at a slow speed in stop and go traffic, or if the vehicle spends a
lot of time idling. The more fuel in the tank, the bigger the heat sink, and
the less effect the recirculated gas has on the temperature of the gas in
the tank. But when you only have a few gallons in the tank, the fuel can get
very hot.

In recent years most companies are making the switch to variable speed fuel
pumps and returnless systems. These systems control the speed of the fuel
pump (and therefore the volume of fuel being delivered) in order to
eliminate the problem of "hot fuel." The variable speed pumps also require
less power on average.

Ed
Ray O - 01 Dec 2007 04:18 GMT
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>> I'm not sure about a Ford Escort, but Toyota fuel pumps do not have to be
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>
> Ed
Thanks for the info.  I learned something new today!
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Harry Face - 01 Dec 2007 06:33 GMT
I replaced my still working fuel pump at 250,000 miles (in 2003) along
with a few hoses and internal sock filter and sending unit. Around $500
when done.

Good Luck

Harryface
91 Bonneville 310,832 miles
 
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