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Only 30k miles from tires?

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me@privacy.net - 29 Nov 2007 16:22 GMT
Seems like my 2000 Mazda Protege ES just goes through
tires!

I just bought 4 new tires July 2006 and 30k miles later
(now) they are almost worn out.

Is 30k mile abt right for tire life now days?

What you get?
Jason Howe - 29 Nov 2007 16:36 GMT
> Seems like my 2000 Mazda Protege ES just goes through
> tires!
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>
> What you get?
It really depends on the tire and the application...

For example, it's reasonable to expect no more than 30K miles out of
performance tires.  The rubber is soft and sticky to keep you stuck to
the road, with the downside that they wear out quick, whereas a general
passenger tire, with an 80K miles rating, will last a long time, because
the rubber is harder, so you're sacrificing some traction and possibly
noise comfort.

What model tire did you get?  Your question is really too vague to
really make a judgment call.  It's as if I said, "my car gets 20 mpg, is
that normal?"    It really depends on the car and driving conditions.

If you bought cheap tires or tires with more of a performance bend, then
30K is totally reasonable.

Remember you can certainly extend your tire life by rotating,
maintaining proper alignment and tire pressure.

--Jason
me@privacy.net - 29 Nov 2007 16:38 GMT
>What model tire did you get?

They are BF Goodrich sized for a Protege...whatever
size that is....so they are somewhat small tires and
should wear faster than larger tires.

I'm at computer at the moment but will report back with
exact model and size.

Still..... seems like I just go through tires fast. And
yes they are rotated.

However they are directional tires and can only be
rotated front to back.  I had a tire tech tell me just
a few weeks ago to NEVER buy directional tires and only
get NON-directional tires as they can be rotated
front/back and side to side. he advised getting Cooper
CS4 tires as they are non-directional.

What you think on that idea?
Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro - 29 Nov 2007 18:43 GMT
> >What model tire did you get?

> They are BF Goodrich sized for a Protege...whatever
> size that is....so they are somewhat small tires and
> should wear faster than larger tires.

> Still..... seems like I just go through tires fast.

The kind of roads also make a difference obviously. If you drive in
mountain roads it is normal to make less kilometers than someone who
mostly drive in straight motorways.

But 30000 miles (almost 50000 km) seems quite good to me (if the
tyre was reasonably grippy).

> However they are directional tires and can only be
> rotated front to back.  I had a tire tech tell me just
> a few weeks ago to NEVER buy directional tires and only
> get NON-directional tires as they can be rotated
> front/back and side to side.

He is lazy. You can rotate directional tyres if you dismount and remount
them on the wheels after rotating them 180 degrees (unless, of course
they are also assymetric, but those are very rare).

> he advised getting Cooper CS4 tires as they are non-directional.

> What you think on that idea?

I prefer to buy tyres from a brand that I have heard about and I had never
heard about Cooper tires.

A 2 minute search on the web found that Cooper tires is a big manufacturer
(40 million tires/year), but also that some of those tires were very
slopply made:

http://www.tiredefects.com/defective-cooper-tires-unsafe-production.cfm

Anyway I would chose a tyre from Michelin, Pirelli, Goodyear, Bridgestone,
Continental*, and maybe some of their sub-brands (Uniroyal** (Continental),
Dunlop (Goodyear))

* Continental is slightly less known than the others, but my current
car happened to come with Continental tyres (Sport Contact) and I found
those to be very good. Later a comparative test in "Auto Motor und Sport"
gave very good marks to the Continental Sport Contact 2 (quite near to
the Pirelli P6000 (?I think) which was the best in that test).

** this Uniroyal brand is not to be confused with an American brand
"Uniroyal Goodrich Tire" which now belongs to Michelin. The European
Uniroyal had the slogan "The Rain Tyre". I have used them in the past, but
if they used to be superior to other brands in the rain, the recent tests
I have read don't show such an advantage and they did wear out too fast.

http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/uniroyal/automobile/themes/01_ho
me/index_en.html


And of course, in each brand there are high-performance tyres and others.

Personally I think tyres are a bad place to save money. If you have a minor
accident because the tyre you choose has slightly less grip than another
you could have chosen, all the savings in tyres and fuel disappear.

BTW, Goodrich is a sub brand of Michelin. In a recent test I read some
model of a Goodrich tyre was significantly worse (in the wet) than the
others including Michelin (I don't remember the models or where I read
that test). Apparently because they are not yet using silica:

http://www.tyres-online.co.uk/technology/silica.asp

BTW, although some of these brands have unidirectional tyres, if you
really want a non-directional tyre you can find one without going
for obscure brands.

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me@privacy.net - 30 Nov 2007 16:33 GMT
>A 2 minute search on the web found that Cooper tires is a big manufacturer
>(40 million tires/year), but also that some of those tires were very
>slopply made:
>
>http://www.tiredefects.com/defective-cooper-tires-unsafe-production.cfm

Yeah I saw that as well..... but that was 7 years ago
in year 2000
MG - 30 Nov 2007 21:24 GMT
> >A 2 minute search on the web found that Cooper tires is a big
> >manufacturer
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> Yeah I saw that as well..... but that was 7 years ago
> in year 2000

I had a set of Coopers around that time, and one went bad in that manner.
Fortunately, no incident resulted.  The funny thing was, up to that point, I
really thought they made my Windstar handle reasonably well.  Treadwear,
IIRC, was better than some, although the Windstar was tough on tires and
brakes.  No idea wat they're making now, though.

mg

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Steve - 29 Nov 2007 20:28 GMT
>>What model tire did you get?
>
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> However they are directional tires and can only be
> rotated front to back.  

Well, I think that answers it. Pretty much the only tires that come in
"directional" designs are the high-performance short-lived variety with
a soft/sticky tread compound. Nature of the beast. I have to wonder why
the heck you'd have tires like that on a Protege, anyway. Unless you
autocross it or something.

> I had a tire tech tell me just
> a few weeks ago to NEVER buy directional tires and only
> get NON-directional tires as they can be rotated
> front/back and side to side.

Its fairly rare to rotate tires side-to-side anymore. Early radials
would sometimes develop a "set" and if switched to rolling the other way
would develop a very strong pull toward one side or the other. That is
probably not a big problem with tires in recent years, but it is STILL
standard practice to rotate only front/back.

> he advised getting Cooper
> CS4 tires as they are non-directional.

Don't know a thing about them, but there are plenty of other BFG tires
that should last a lot longer than 30k miles.
clifto - 29 Nov 2007 23:16 GMT
> Well, I think that answers it. Pretty much the only tires that come in
> "directional" designs are the high-performance short-lived variety with
> a soft/sticky tread compound.

...like my TripleTreds with the 80,000 mile warranty?

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me@privacy.net - 30 Nov 2007 16:36 GMT
>Well, I think that answers it. Pretty much the only tires that come in
>"directional" designs are the high-performance short-lived variety with
>a soft/sticky tread compound. Nature of the beast. I have to wonder why
>the heck you'd have tires like that on a Protege, anyway. Unless you
>autocross it or something.

I don't know..... but my Protege DID come with V rated
tires as OEM.  matter of fact they were Bridgestone
Potenza V rated OEM tires I believe.  But those are
hard to find

At any rate.....its a mystery to me why such a sticky
tire on a compact sedan.  Why do you think it is so?

And....does that V rating definitely mean these tires
are short lived?
me@privacy.net - 29 Nov 2007 16:39 GMT
>do you get them rotated and balanced?

yep

still seems to go though tires fast

I was attributing it to the fact that compact car tires
are smaller and therefore less life.... but it seems
like it should be more than 30k.  maybe not tho

I'm looking into Cooper CS4 tires as next set. see my
other message as to why

here is link

http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0704_cooper_cs4_touring/
me@privacy.net - 29 Nov 2007 16:48 GMT
>It really depends on the tire and the application...

This begs a good question.... WHAT brand tires would
YOU consider buying now days?  That question is open to
all to answer.
Scott Dorsey - 29 Nov 2007 19:21 GMT
>>It really depends on the tire and the application...
>
>This begs a good question.... WHAT brand tires would
>YOU consider buying now days?  That question is open to
>all to answer.

For a racing car that only turns left, or for a dump truck operating
at a mine?
--scott
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news - 30 Nov 2007 04:43 GMT
>> It really depends on the tire and the application...
>
> This begs a good question.... WHAT brand tires would
> YOU consider buying now days?  That question is open to
> all to answer.

ok, but MY choice of tires for MY car makes about as much sense as
asking what color you'd paint your car.

Summer?  Winter?  Race?  What kind of car?

My pickup truck sees different types of usage than my Trans Am...

That said, you asked, I'll answer.  I believe in summer tires made by BF
Goodrich.  I buy cheap winter tires because I should know better, but
can't part with the money.

I drive my cars hard, so my Trans Am has about 35,000 miles and has gone
through TWO sets of tires, not including my dedicated drag race tires.

I once had a tire make it 4 laps on my dirt track car.  That's 1.6 miles.

Seriously, I've given up on cheap tires.  BF's on all my cars from now
on.  I love grip, mileage be damned.

:)
me@privacy.net - 30 Nov 2007 16:40 GMT
>ok, but MY choice of tires for MY car makes about as much sense as
>asking what color you'd paint your car.
>
>Summer?  Winter?  Race?  What kind of car?

Ooops sorry....

My driving is normal commuting back and forth to work
and school abt 60 miles daily.  No hot
rodding....careful driver..... on city street and some
interstate

The car is your normal garden variety economy car.... 4
door 2000 Mazda Protege sedan.... 1.8 liter engine
Scott Dorsey - 29 Nov 2007 16:38 GMT
>Seems like my 2000 Mazda Protege ES just goes through
>tires!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>What you get?

What kind of tires are they, and what does the wear pattern look like?

If you buy soft and sticky high performance tires, they won't last
as long as harder touring tires.
--scott
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HLS - 29 Nov 2007 22:22 GMT
> Seems like my 2000 Mazda Protege ES just goes through
> tires!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> What you get?

I get 60-80,000 miles on a set.  I use Michelin...but not ALL Michelins are
equal.
Some of the Walmart crap will not get half what I get.

There is nothing wrong with Cooper tires.  Some models are nominally 70,000
mile tires.
I find them more noisy than Michelins but quite okay.

30k is not worth a damn, really.

The first set of  Goodyear Eagles I had gave me about 20, 000 miles.  I
bought a set
of Kelly Springfields, and they darn near outlasted the car.

The point is that tires are very different.....even within the same brand.
boxing@sasktel.net - 29 Nov 2007 23:35 GMT
get michelins, they last forever
me@privacy.net - 30 Nov 2007 16:41 GMT
>30k is not worth a damn, really.

Agree

but now I'm thinking maybe its cause the tire are V
rated and just sticky.... thereby more wear prone
AZ Nomad - 30 Nov 2007 19:13 GMT
>>30k is not worth a damn, really.

>Agree

>but now I'm thinking maybe its cause the tire are V
>rated and just sticky.... thereby more wear prone

Some are just cheap crap.  In '85 when I bought a nissen sentra new, the
bridgestones that were installed as rim protectors didn't last 10K miles.
The dunlops that followed lasted 60K miles.
Scott Dorsey - 30 Nov 2007 20:00 GMT
>>>30k is not worth a damn, really.
>
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>bridgestones that were installed as rim protectors didn't last 10K miles.
>The dunlops that followed lasted 60K miles.

And you should know that, for the most part, the tires that come with
new cars are specially designed low-cost tires that are not very good.
Not always, but often.
--scott
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AZ Nomad - 01 Dec 2007 00:40 GMT
>>>>30k is not worth a damn, really.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>bridgestones that were installed as rim protectors didn't last 10K miles.
>>The dunlops that followed lasted 60K miles.

>And you should know that, for the most part, the tires that come with
>new cars are specially designed low-cost tires that are not very good.
>Not always, but often.

cheap tires on a cheap car.
me@privacy.net - 30 Nov 2007 16:41 GMT
>The point is that tires are very different.....even within the same brand.

Understood

Thanks guys!!
Harry Face - 30 Nov 2007 03:32 GMT
What is the mileage rating for the tires you bought? Maybe your buying
el-cheapo 30,000 mile tires and don't know it.

When was the alignment check last?

Are you running the correct tire presure?

Are they properly balanced & rotated every 7,000 miles?

Are you driving the car like BUrt Reynolds in Smokey & The Bandit?

Good luck,

harryface
1991 Bonneville, 310,814 miles with 80,000 mile Goodyear Regatta 2's.
me@privacy.net - 30 Nov 2007 16:43 GMT
>What is the mileage rating for the tires you bought? Maybe your buying
>el-cheapo 30,000 mile tires and don't know it.

Here is what I have now I think..... not at car at the
moment looking at tire

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=Traction+T
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