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testing for spark on 1998 dodge stratus 2.5 v6?

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Randy Pape - 02 Dec 2007 16:41 GMT
when using a spark tester and turning the engine over,should there be
continuous spark at the gap of tester? when i do it on my #2 plug  i can
make a one count between sparks. is this normal?
i thought it spun so fast that it should almost continuous? i also don't
think it's real blue in color. thanks Randy
Mike Walsh - 02 Dec 2007 17:13 GMT
The engine cranking speed is slow; there is a very noticeable time between sparks. Even at idle speed the spark does not appear continuous.

> when using a spark tester and turning the engine over,should there be
> continuous spark at the gap of tester? when i do it on my #2 plug  i can
> make a one count between sparks. is this normal?
> i thought it spun so fast that it should almost continuous? i also don't
> think it's real blue in color. thanks Randy

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aarcuda69062 - 02 Dec 2007 18:06 GMT
> when using a spark tester and turning the engine over,should there be
> continuous spark at the gap of tester? when i do it on my #2 plug  i can
> make a one count between sparks. is this normal?
> i thought it spun so fast that it should almost continuous? i also don't
> think it's real blue in color. thanks Randy

At one plug wire, the spark frequency will be cranking RPM
divided by 12.   At 200 RPM cranking, you'd see 17 sparks per
minute or one every 3 seconds or so.
Randy Pape - 03 Dec 2007 01:20 GMT
thanks for the info  Randy :-)

>> when using a spark tester and turning the engine over,should there be
>> continuous spark at the gap of tester? when i do it on my #2 plug  i can
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> divided by 12.   At 200 RPM cranking, you'd see 17 sparks per
> minute or one every 3 seconds or so.
Marsh Monster - 03 Dec 2007 04:45 GMT
> In article <4752dfa5$0$8699$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
>
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> divided by 12.   At 200 RPM cranking, you'd see 17 sparks per
> minute or one every 3 seconds or so.
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yer sofullofsht..........
i can smell you from here

do me a favor........count to 3......then think about that remark
as you watch yer ceiling fan go around in cirlces.........

:)

~:~
marsh
~takes a toke......one thousand and one.........
                         one thousand and two........

lmao...........fk it............takes another toke.......
mmmmmmm.........good stuff~
~:~
aarcuda69062 - 03 Dec 2007 05:41 GMT
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> > In article <4752dfa5$0$8699$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
> >
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> yer sofullofsht..........

Still haven't figured out how a 6 cylinder 4 stroke engine
operates, eh.

> i can smell you from here

Check your shorts first.


> do me a favor........count to 3......then think about that remark
> as you watch yer ceiling fan go around in cirlces.........

What the f.ck do my ceiling fan(s) have to do with this?
Rodan - 03 Dec 2007 09:17 GMT
aarcuda69062  wrote:

At one plug wire, the spark frequency will be cranking RPM
divided by 12.   At 200 RPM cranking, you'd see 17 sparks
per minute or one every 3 seconds or so.
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...yer sofullofsht.......... i can smell you from here .... do me
a favor........count to 3......then think about that remark as
you watch yer ceiling fan go around in cirlces.........
_________________________________________________

cuda's math sounds okay to me, assuming it is a 6-cylinder
engine.    What different result does your calculation show?

Rodan.
Steve Austin - 03 Dec 2007 13:05 GMT
> aarcuda69062  wrote:
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> Rodan.

Every plug fires on every second revolution.  Cranking RPM divided by 2.
aarcuda69062 - 03 Dec 2007 14:13 GMT
> > aarcuda69062  wrote:
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> Every plug fires on every second revolution.  Cranking RPM divided by 2.

Yup, I pooched the math.

Still wondering how the ceiling fan fits in though...
Comboverfish - 04 Dec 2007 00:03 GMT
> In article <4753ff1c$0$4968$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
>
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>
> Yup, I pooched the math.

Explain how you're wrong?  You said *at one plug wire*... this is a
distributor-equipped V6 which would fire *one plug wire* once every
twelve crank revolutions.  You said *divide crank revolutions by 12*.

Sounds good to me.  We may be the only ones accounting for the type of
ignition system used on the OP's car.

> Still wondering how the ceiling fan fits in though...

I wouldn't worry about it.

Toyota MDT in MO
Rodan - 04 Dec 2007 01:14 GMT
At one plug wire, the spark frequency will be cranking RPM
divided by 12.   At 200 RPM cranking, you'd see 17 sparks
per minute or one every 3 seconds or so.              aarcuda69062
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yer sofullofsht.......... i can smell you from here .... do me a
favor......count to 3......then think about that remark as you
watch yer ceiling fan go around in cirlces.              Marsh Monster
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cuda's math sounds okay to me, if it is a 6-cylinder engine.
What different result does your calculation show?            Rodan.
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Every plug fires on every second revolution.
Cranking RPM divided by 2.                                Steve Austin
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Yup, I pooched the math.                                  aarcuda69062
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Explain how you're wrong?  .. it's a distributor-equipped V6 which
fires fire one plug wire once every twelve crank revolutions.  dividing
crank revolutions by 12 sounds good to me.            Comboverfish
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I pooched it too.   It doesn't matter how many cylinders the engine
has.   The spark rate for a single wire is:

200 Rev/Min x 1 Spark/2 Rev = 100 Sparks/Min = 1.667 Sparks/Sec.
This inverts to 0.6 Seconds per Spark.

Rodan.     <---- had no ceiling fan for guidance
Comboverfish - 04 Dec 2007 07:23 GMT
> At one plug wire, the spark frequency will be cranking RPM
> divided by 12.   At 200 RPM cranking, you'd see 17 sparks
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>
> Rodan.     <---- had no ceiling fan for guidance

Heh heh... yup, I had a "junior moment".  I hear the senior ones are
even worse.  Time to get a ceiling fan and learn how to count to
three...

Toyota MDT in MO
Marsh Monster - 05 Dec 2007 00:36 GMT
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Heh heh... yup, I had a "junior moment".  I hear the senior ones are
even worse.  
.
.
Time to get a ceiling fan and learn how to count to
three...

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make sure you have it on "slow" speed........while counting to
3..........

high speed.......is closer to "eng run" RPM's.

:)

~:~
marsh
~sips his shroomjuice.........sniffs the air....ck's his shorts......
nope.......it's definately...definately......not me that stinks~
~:~
M.M. - 04 Dec 2007 01:50 GMT
> Explain how you're wrong?  You said *at one plug wire*... this is a
> distributor-equipped V6 which would fire *one plug wire* once every
> twelve crank revolutions.  You said *divide crank revolutions by 12*.
>
> ...

Think about it...it's a four-stroke engine, right? In a four-stroke,
every cylinder fires (has a compression stoke) every other crank
revolution (half the cylinders fire on each crank rev). So for 1000 rpm,
each one will fire 500 times/minute.

Or...the distributor turns at half the crankshaft speed and each
cylinder (plug wire) fires once on each distributor rev...same result.
Comboverfish - 04 Dec 2007 07:21 GMT
> > Explain how you're wrong?  You said *at one plug wire*... this is a
> > distributor-equipped V6 which would fire *one plug wire* once every
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> Or...the distributor turns at half the crankshaft speed and each
> cylinder (plug wire) fires once on each distributor rev...same result.

I thought about it after posting.  Too much drinking of Koolaid.
Better now.  Math skills rising again.

Thanks!

Toyota MDT in MO
Marsh Monster - 05 Dec 2007 00:43 GMT
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Yup, I pooched the math.
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Still wondering how the ceiling fan fits in though.

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YOU'RE.......still wondering because yer freek'n brain can't
configure the concept of "like" systems.....and.....i'm reeeeely
not sure at this point that if you even own a ceiling fan......
if you're capable of counting to 3.
.
.
and.......how bout take some terlit paper and scroll back up
and wipe thatshitoff that you stunk up the joint with......

:)

~:~
marsh
~takes a toke......mmmmm........good stuff......~
~:~
aarcuda69062 - 05 Dec 2007 01:31 GMT
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m>,

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> YOU'RE.......still wondering because yer freek'n brain can't
> configure the concept of "like" systems.....

"like systems?"  How is an automobile engine "like" an electric
motor?

> and.....i'm reeeeely
> not sure at this point that if you even own a ceiling fan......

Is owning a ceiling fan some measure of intelligence?

> if you're capable of counting to 3.

1-2-3  Stoner boys IQ.

> .
> .
> and.......how bout take some terlit paper and scroll back up
> and wipe thatshitoff that you stunk up the joint with......

Shouldn't you be tying knots in brake lines or something?


> :)
>
> ~:~
> marsh
> ~takes a toke......mmmmm........good stuff......~
> ~:~
Marsh Monster - 09 Dec 2007 01:01 GMT
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aarcuda wrote:
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Shouldn't you be tying knots in brake lines or something?
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lol

~:~
marsh
~takes a sip of his shroom juice.......watches the cieling fan
go round and round and round.......and.......~
~:~
aarcuda69062 - 09 Dec 2007 05:17 GMT
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> marsh
> ~takes a sip of his shroom juice.......watches the cieling fan

'ceiling fan?'

> go round and round and round.......and.......~

And?
Steve Austin - 03 Dec 2007 13:08 GMT
> aarcuda69062  wrote:
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> Rodan.

If it's DIS every plug fires on every revolution.
sdlomi2 - 05 Dec 2007 02:45 GMT
> aarcuda69062  wrote:
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>
> Rodan.

   Hi, Rodan, this math is getting fun, to the extent some of us (me
included) tend to cloud our own knowledge.  Honestly, at first I was tempted
to ask him how many cylinders, as I had not seen the 2.5 v-6 in the op's
subject line--that before I realized it made no difference.  What different
result would we get if we assumed it  was a 4-cylinder?:)  How about an
8-cylinder?:)  Just tho't it humorous that you and I both were victimized by
this same slip-up--- hope you see no offense!  sdlomi2
 
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