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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2007

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moreairguns@icqmail.com - 05 Dec 2007 08:00 GMT
Hi!

I just bought a ram style tube bender and I tried bending a 2 inch
diameter exhaust pipe and the bend was so crappy!  it was as if the
tube was bent by hand without a die.

What can I do to make satisfactory bends with this bender?

http://www.americasprideonline.com/benders/ampro/images/aph100-002-new-1.jpg
http://www.americasprideonline.com/benders/ampro/images/aph100-016-new-2.jpg

Here's a bender similar to the one I have.
tnom@mucks.net - 05 Dec 2007 09:30 GMT
>Hi!
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>Here's a bender similar to the one I have.

That's a cheap bender. If you want to use that then the best thing
you can do is fill the pipe with sand. Plug the sand with rags or
whatever you can, and the bend it.
moreairguns@icqmail.com - 05 Dec 2007 11:38 GMT
Okay thanks for the advice.
Would that significantly reduce the crumples in the bends?
I was thinking of doing that....but should the pipe be welded shut to
keep the sand in?

Well, maybe not welded shut but at least tightly sealed.

I was also reading about cerrobend but I don't think anyone in my
country sells that.

On Dec 5, 5:30 pm, t...@mucks.net wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:00:15 -0800 (PST), moreairg...@icqmail.com
> wrote:
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> you can do is fill the pipe with sand. Plug the sand with rags or
> whatever you can, and the bend it.
tnom@mucks.net - 05 Dec 2007 21:23 GMT
>I was also reading about cerrobend but I don't think anyone in my
>country sells that.

I was unaware of cerrabend but it sounds like a good investment
if you plan on bending a lot of pipes. Another suggestion would
be fill the pipe with pea gravel. I've never used it but pea gravel
should have much more staying power than sand.
moreairguns@icqmail.com - 06 Dec 2007 00:35 GMT
ya,  Cerrobend might be good since it's metal but it melts at low
temperatures.....temperatures of boiling water.
I wonder how hard that thing is when solid.

Mike, is the ram bender any good?  I was thinking that it just could
be a waste of money.
It's not like the ones they use in muffler shops where the tubing is
sandwiched between two dies.  My ram bender has just 1 die in one side
which pushes through the tubing to make the bend.

On Dec 6, 5:23 am, t...@mucks.net wrote:
> >I was also reading about cerrobend but I don't think anyone in my
> >country sells that.
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> be fill the pipe with pea gravel. I've never used it but pea gravel
> should have much more staying power than sand.
sdlomi2 - 06 Dec 2007 04:28 GMT
> Okay thanks for the advice.
> Would that significantly reduce the crumples in the bends?
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>> you can do is fill the pipe with sand. Plug the sand with rags or
>> whatever you can, and the bend it.

       I've noticed that pipes via muffler shops tend to be 'tail pipe'
quality
for both exhaust pipes and tail pipes. Since I've never actually worked with
the benders and bendable pipes, I have to rely on what I've seen in the
bending and mentally recalling how long pipes, both tail- and exhaust-pipes
(and mufflers) last.  The distinguishing difference between tail and exhaust
pipes I am using is as follows: tail pipes are those extending from muffler
outlet to its exit from under the car; and exhaust means those pipes
extending from engine to inlet of muffler.
   I've also noticed the muff. shops tend to use the same tubing for both.
(If I'm wrong, then pls. correct me.)  That tubing seems to be thinner than
oem tail pipes and MUCH thinner than oem exhaust pipes.  As I see it,
exhaust pipes need to be thicker to prevent premature burnout; and tail
pipes can be somewhat thinner.  This due to exhaust handling much hotter
exhaust gases than the further-back tail pipes.
   That said, the thinner the walls of the tubing--all else being
equal--the easier it is to bend.  So, if their hydraulic benders are as
strained as they seem with thinner tubing, it's no wonder you and your
bender were taxed on a 'real' piece of tubing.  Time to practice on a piece
of the 'easy' stuff and see what it does.  s
moreairguns@icqmail.com - 06 Dec 2007 05:00 GMT
Isn't it the other way around?

Isn't it easier to make bends with tubes/pipes with thicker walls?

going extremes, if you bend a solid round bar by hand, you'd still get
good bends, right?

maybe the wall thickness to tube diameter ratio is to small.... the
wall is too thin for the given tube diameter.....
unless I have a mandrel or rotary bender, I wouldn't be able to make
good bends.

hmmmm..... better try using sand or better, CerroBend.

> <moreairg...@icqmail.com> wrote in message
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> bender were taxed on a 'real' piece of tubing.  Time to practice on a piece
> of the 'easy' stuff and see what it does.  s
sdlomi2 - 06 Dec 2007 22:01 GMT
> Isn't it the other way around?
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> hmmmm..... better try using sand or better, CerroBend.

   Hi moreairguns, yes you ARE correct.  I was erroneously thinking of
"easier" as meaning "with less force"--where you meant *easier to make good
bends*, just as you said, and my mind immediately shut down after the
thought of *easier* entered its apparently small space.  Would rather think
it was merely from my having a bad day(;    s
Steve Austin - 06 Dec 2007 13:11 GMT
>     That said, the thinner the walls of the tubing--all else being
> equal--the easier it is to bend.  So, if their hydraulic benders are as
> strained as they seem with thinner tubing, it's no wonder you and your
> bender were taxed on a 'real' piece of tubing.  Time to practice on a piece
> of the 'easy' stuff and see what it does.  s

Thicker tubing is easier to bend without "d"s and creases.  But only if
you use the right equipment.
mike - 05 Dec 2007 18:25 GMT
On Dec 5, 12:00 am, moreairg...@icqmail.com wrote:
> Hi!
>
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>
> Here's a bender similar to the one I have.

It's been a long time since I was in the exhaust business, but it
could be that the pipe you are using isn't bendable.
For example, you can't go out and buy a Walker exhaust pipe and then
try to put a bend in it. You need to buy bendable pipe like they use
in muffler shops.

For hard to find parts http://www.oldnewparts.com
* - 06 Dec 2007 12:12 GMT
moreairguns@icqmail.com wrote in article
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> Hi!
>
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>
> What can I do to make satisfactory bends with this bender?

http://www.americasprideonline.com/benders/ampro/images/aph100-002-new-1.jpg

http://www.americasprideonline.com/benders/ampro/images/aph100-016-new-2.jpg

> Here's a bender similar to the one I have.

You don't have a *tubing* bender......

You have a *pipe* bender.

There is a world of difference between the two.

Even filled with sand, the tubing o.d. will NOT fit the pipe dies
correctly.
steamer - 07 Dec 2007 00:46 GMT
    --Here's a link to the kind of tube bender I've got:
http://www.tricktools.com/model_3_bender.htm
    --I added my own hydraulics, which saved a bundle.
    The trick to bending *tube* without buckling it is to use the
correct kind of bending dies; i.e. there should be three points supporting
the workpiece, all of them formed to match the diameter of the tubing.
Here's an example of the ones mine uses:
http://www.tricktools.com/model_3_bender_dies.htm
    When you decide to buy a decent bender pay attention to how much
you'll need to shell out for die sets: some companies really sock it to you,
heh.

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moreairguns@icqmail.com - 07 Dec 2007 02:08 GMT
I am planning to buy one.  Even just the Manual Rotary type. (Model 3)
but I'm just not sure if they sell those things here in the
Philippines.

probably, I will need to have it shipped from the US to Philippines.

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