Okay thanks for the advice.
Would that significantly reduce the crumples in the bends?
I was thinking of doing that....but should the pipe be welded shut to
keep the sand in?
Well, maybe not welded shut but at least tightly sealed.
I was also reading about cerrobend but I don't think anyone in my
country sells that.
On Dec 5, 5:30 pm, t...@mucks.net wrote:
>I was also reading about cerrobend but I don't think anyone in my
>country sells that.
I was unaware of cerrabend but it sounds like a good investment
if you plan on bending a lot of pipes. Another suggestion would
be fill the pipe with pea gravel. I've never used it but pea gravel
should have much more staying power than sand.
moreairguns@icqmail.com - 06 Dec 2007 00:35 GMT
ya, Cerrobend might be good since it's metal but it melts at low
temperatures.....temperatures of boiling water.
I wonder how hard that thing is when solid.
Mike, is the ram bender any good? I was thinking that it just could
be a waste of money.
It's not like the ones they use in muffler shops where the tubing is
sandwiched between two dies. My ram bender has just 1 die in one side
which pushes through the tubing to make the bend.
On Dec 6, 5:23 am, t...@mucks.net wrote:
> >I was also reading about cerrobend but I don't think anyone in my
> >country sells that.
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> be fill the pipe with pea gravel. I've never used it but pea gravel
> should have much more staying power than sand.
> Okay thanks for the advice.
> Would that significantly reduce the crumples in the bends?
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>> you can do is fill the pipe with sand. Plug the sand with rags or
>> whatever you can, and the bend it.
I've noticed that pipes via muffler shops tend to be 'tail pipe'
quality
for both exhaust pipes and tail pipes. Since I've never actually worked with
the benders and bendable pipes, I have to rely on what I've seen in the
bending and mentally recalling how long pipes, both tail- and exhaust-pipes
(and mufflers) last. The distinguishing difference between tail and exhaust
pipes I am using is as follows: tail pipes are those extending from muffler
outlet to its exit from under the car; and exhaust means those pipes
extending from engine to inlet of muffler.
I've also noticed the muff. shops tend to use the same tubing for both.
(If I'm wrong, then pls. correct me.) That tubing seems to be thinner than
oem tail pipes and MUCH thinner than oem exhaust pipes. As I see it,
exhaust pipes need to be thicker to prevent premature burnout; and tail
pipes can be somewhat thinner. This due to exhaust handling much hotter
exhaust gases than the further-back tail pipes.
That said, the thinner the walls of the tubing--all else being
equal--the easier it is to bend. So, if their hydraulic benders are as
strained as they seem with thinner tubing, it's no wonder you and your
bender were taxed on a 'real' piece of tubing. Time to practice on a piece
of the 'easy' stuff and see what it does. s
moreairguns@icqmail.com - 06 Dec 2007 05:00 GMT
Isn't it the other way around?
Isn't it easier to make bends with tubes/pipes with thicker walls?
going extremes, if you bend a solid round bar by hand, you'd still get
good bends, right?
maybe the wall thickness to tube diameter ratio is to small.... the
wall is too thin for the given tube diameter.....
unless I have a mandrel or rotary bender, I wouldn't be able to make
good bends.
hmmmm..... better try using sand or better, CerroBend.
> <moreairg...@icqmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> bender were taxed on a 'real' piece of tubing. Time to practice on a piece
> of the 'easy' stuff and see what it does. s
sdlomi2 - 06 Dec 2007 22:01 GMT
> Isn't it the other way around?
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> hmmmm..... better try using sand or better, CerroBend.
Hi moreairguns, yes you ARE correct. I was erroneously thinking of
"easier" as meaning "with less force"--where you meant *easier to make good
bends*, just as you said, and my mind immediately shut down after the
thought of *easier* entered its apparently small space. Would rather think
it was merely from my having a bad day(; s
Steve Austin - 06 Dec 2007 13:11 GMT
> That said, the thinner the walls of the tubing--all else being
> equal--the easier it is to bend. So, if their hydraulic benders are as
> strained as they seem with thinner tubing, it's no wonder you and your
> bender were taxed on a 'real' piece of tubing. Time to practice on a piece
> of the 'easy' stuff and see what it does. s
Thicker tubing is easier to bend without "d"s and creases. But only if
you use the right equipment.