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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2007

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1964 impala ss

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Nick - 06 Dec 2007 19:17 GMT
i gotta 64 impala ss and after driving it around for about a week i
keep having to adjust the timing to fix the idle, any ideas why it
keeps doin this? could it be the distributor rubbing against the
firewall and moving around? any ideas?
Mike Walsh - 06 Dec 2007 19:26 GMT
Does the timing become early or late? Does the dwell change?

> i gotta 64 impala ss and after driving it around for about a week i
> keep having to adjust the timing to fix the idle, any ideas why it
> keeps doin this? could it be the distributor rubbing against the
> firewall and moving around? any ideas?

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Nick - 06 Dec 2007 20:17 GMT
> Does the timing become early or late? Does the dwell change?
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>                    Mike Walsh

the timing comes early and the dwell stays the same.
Mike Walsh - 07 Dec 2007 18:11 GMT
If the dwell stays the same the rubbing block is not wearing (the most common cause of timing change). Maybe the centrifugal advance or vacuum advance is kicking in.

> > Does the timing become early or late? Does the dwell change?
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> the timing comes early and the dwell stays the same.

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Nate Nagel - 07 Dec 2007 20:40 GMT
> If the dwell stays the same the rubbing block is not wearing (the most common cause of timing change). Maybe the centrifugal advance or vacuum advance is kicking in.
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>>the timing comes early and the dwell stays the same.

I agree, sounds like either the centrifugal advance or vacuum advance is
pulling the plate around and it's not returning for some reason.  Time
to pull the dist. and have a look.  If the shaft was binding in the
bushings and turning the whole housing, the timing would be retarded not
advanced.

If you just rap on the housing with a tool with a timing light on the
engine, does the timing suddenly retard back to normal?

nate

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Refinish King - 06 Dec 2007 20:17 GMT
Check the rubbing block on the points:

Sometimes people don't grease the rubbing block, and it wears quickly,
changing the dwell and timing.

Also, check the plate in the distributor for looseness.

I hope this helps.

RK

PS
Is this a 348 or 409?

> Does the timing become early or late? Does the dwell change?
>
>> i gotta 64 impala ss and after driving it around for about a week i
>> keep having to adjust the timing to fix the idle, any ideas why it
>> keeps doin this? could it be the distributor rubbing against the
>> firewall and moving around? any ideas?
Nick - 06 Dec 2007 20:32 GMT
> Check the rubbing block on the points:
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> >                   Mike Walsh

thanks, will do. it's a 350, 4 barrel, hooker header, gas guzzlin son
of a bitch.

ps, do u paint?
Refinish King - 08 Dec 2007 04:34 GMT
Yes:

I do full restorations, and if needed. I hand form Panels I can't buy.

RK
>> Check the rubbing block on the points:
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> ps, do u paint?
N8N - 06 Dec 2007 20:49 GMT
> i gotta 64 impala ss and after driving it around for about a week i
> keep having to adjust the timing to fix the idle, any ideas why it
> keeps doin this? could it be the distributor rubbing against the
> firewall and moving around? any ideas?

If it's still the original points style dist. it may be time to pull
it and have it completely rebuilt.  The comment about lubing the
rubbing block was a good one though.  It's possible however that it is
binding up internally and retarding itself as you drive, and only a
rebuild can fix this.  Also the advance mechanism may be sticking
(either vacuum or centrifugal) basically you gotta take it out, pull
it apart, and look at it.

Personally, unless this is a 100% original car, I'd be tempted to
replace the distributor with an early 70's HEI unit just for no-
maintenance reliable sparkingness.

nate
Noozer - 06 Dec 2007 22:50 GMT
>i gotta 64 impala ss and after driving it around for about a week i
> keep having to adjust the timing to fix the idle, any ideas why it
> keeps doin this? could it be the distributor rubbing against the
> firewall and moving around? any ideas?

Mark the distributors position and check the marks next time it's causing
you grief.

At least that way you'll know if it's physically moving or something
internal is messed up.
dahpater - 07 Dec 2007 04:40 GMT
> i gotta 64 impala ss and after driving it around for about a week i
> keep having to adjust the timing to fix the idle, any ideas why it
> keeps doin this? could it be the distributor rubbing against the
> firewall and moving around? any ideas?

Also check:
1) hold down bolt is tight
2) the vacuum line for the advance. It has to be hooked to "throttle
vacuum"
3) side wear/play in the distributor hose where the inner shaft spins.
(should be damn near none)
4) timing chain back lash (8 to 10 degrees max)

When you "adjust the timing", is it actually changing from it's
original setting, or are you changing it to compensate for another
problem?!?!

You do not have to pull the distributor to check the mech/vac
advances. Pull the rotor off and check the mechanical weights and
springs. The weights and mechanism usually rust. WD 40 or CRC will
take care off that.  Vacuum pump for the vacuum advance.

If it's "binding" (not spinning free), and nothing is worn, you don't
have to rebuild it. You can pull the distributor, knock the roll pin
out of the drive gear and remove the gear and shim. Twist and pull the
inner shaft up through the points side of the outer housing. Sometimes
you need to take a can of carb cleaner and with the red hose spray it
into the shaft/hosing to cut all the built up oil. Clean the shaft on
a wire wheel and clean the hosing with the carb cleaner and a small,
round long handled wire brush. (usually found in the plumbing dept)

If it is a distributor problem, and it doesn't need to be "O" riganal,
then yes put an early HEI in it. Very easy change over! And much
better. Most off the time you don't even have to change heat settings
on the spark plugs. You will have to monitor them for awhile to see
for sure.
Steve Austin - 07 Dec 2007 13:04 GMT
> i gotta 64 impala ss and after driving it around for about a week i
> keep having to adjust the timing to fix the idle, any ideas why it
> keeps doin this? could it be the distributor rubbing against the
> firewall and moving around? any ideas

I've seen impala's of that vintage with bad motor mounts that would
allow the distributor to hit the firewall.  However, it would break the
cap, not change time.
lugnut - 08 Dec 2007 18:17 GMT
>> i gotta 64 impala ss and after driving it around for about a week i
>> keep having to adjust the timing to fix the idle, any ideas why it
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>allow the distributor to hit the firewall.  However, it would break the
>cap, not change time.

On the outside chance the car still has original mounts even
after an engine swap, it should have them replaced with the
later version.  At the very least, they should be checked in
this case.  The original '64 mounts would not retin the
engine on it's mount if the mount failed.  There was a
recall campaign in the late 60's to add a safety strap from
the lower to the upper portion of the left mount.  The real
cure was to replace the mount(s) with the later model item
that had the plates designed to interlock.  I would find it
surprising if it still has the original mounts - not
impossible.

Lugnut
Ashton Crusher - 07 Dec 2007 16:55 GMT
>i gotta 64 impala ss and after driving it around for about a week i
>keep having to adjust the timing to fix the idle, any ideas why it
>keeps doin this? could it be the distributor rubbing against the
>firewall and moving around? any ideas?

For less then $100 you can buy a Petronix electronic ignition system
for it.  That will eliminate the points and  you should never have
that problem again.  Of course, if your distributor is rubbing against
the firewall then something is not right, perhaps it needs the engine
and transmission mounts replaced.
 
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