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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2007condensation on spark plugs, what can i do to fix it?
i'm working on a 98 chevy cavalier. i pool out the spark plugs and 3 of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help me. thanks. > i'm working on a 98 chevy cavalier. i pool out the spark plugs and 3 > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help > me. thanks. Do you mean condensation on the outside of the plug, or are you getting fouling on the internal parts?? If the plugs are not sparking, chances are that the spark plug cables are bad, or you have carbon fouling at the electrodes. Clearly there can be other reasons for plugs not to fire. > > i'm working on a 98 chevy cavalier. i pool out the spark plugs and 3 > > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > for plugs not > to fire. condensation around the spark plug's insulator. in another subject is there posible that gas and water could be mixing? >condensation around the spark plug's insulator. in another subject is >there posible that gas and water could be mixing? If the water is on the inside of the cylinder, you have gas and water mixing and it's time to check the head gasket. If the water is on the outside of the cylinder, try dielectric grease. --scott  Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > > "valeoro" <vale...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > condensation around the spark plug's insulator. in another subject is > there posible that gas and water could be mixing? Water vapor is a byproduct of combustion. Any engine will produce it, and we see it as fog coming out of the tailpipe on a cold day. If your engine is really cold, it might start and quit immediately due to insufficient fuel, or it may just fire weakly enough that it doesn't quite catch and start running on its own. In either case, the water vapor produced by the little bit of firing that did occur will condense on all the cold surfaces in the cylinder, including the sparkplugs, and will short them. You have to either warm the engine before trying again, or remove the plugs and dry them off. Warming the engine is the better bet. I had an ancient tractor that would do this to me every winter, and I would remove the plugs and torch them a bit to dry them off. I never did get around to installing a block heater, there being too many other interesting things to do in the summer, and would regret it as soon as I wanted to push some snow. That same water vapor is blown past the rings with any other gases that get by them, and most engines will pass at least some. On short trips it won't get boiled off properly since the oil doesn't get warm enough, and will collect in the crankcase, mix with the oil, and nasty things happen. In the presence of metals and water, oil will break down and combine with the hydrogen and oxygen of the water and form acids that eat your engine from the inside. Dan >>>> i'm working on a 98 chevy cavalier. i pool out the spark plugs and 3 >>>> of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Dan I had an air cooled VW bug that liked to condensate freeze over the spark plug tips in really cold weather. Had to pull the plugs and warm them too many times. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com > > "valeoro" <vale...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > condensation around the spark plug's insulator. in another subject is > there posible that gas and water could be mixing? With most plug wiring setups, the rubber insulator around the plug covers most of the porcelain. If yours do not, try finding a set of aftermarket plug wires with a longer plug insulator. if the distributor cap and plug wires are a bit wet, then it may help to dry them off with a pistol type hair dryer. That could get your vehicle running until you have a chance to replace what ever is defective. You might have a cracked distributor cap or defective plug wires. 98Cavalier doesn't have a distributor. He probably has a bad ignition module. > if the distributor cap and plug wires are a bit wet, then it may help > to dry them off with a pistol type hair dryer. That could get your > vehicle running until you have a chance to replace what ever is > defective. You might have a cracked distributor cap or defective plug > wires. > 98Cavalier doesn't have a distributor. He probably has a bad ignition > module. It could be an ignition module,bad wires, bad DIS transformers, etc If it's a 2.8 or a 3.1 V-6: Most likely you have a leaking intake manifold gasket. If it has overheated a few times, you'll also need a head gasket, and maybe a head too. Each ignition cable goes to a separate ignition coil on the late 88 V-6's. I hope this helps. RK > i'm working on a 98 chevy cavalier. i pool out the spark plugs and 3 > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help > me. thanks. 98 does not have the 2.8 that was gone way before that the plugs cool off way before the engine does and the hot air in the engine might cause moisture to form on the plugs under the right environmental conditions but that is stretching it > If it's a 2.8 or a 3.1 V-6: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help > > me. thanks. Really: I have an 89 Cavalier Z24 with a 2.8 manual, a 90 cavalier 2.8 with auto. Were the 3.1's stolen? RK > 98 does not have the 2.8 that was gone way before that > the plugs cool off way before the engine does and the hot air in the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help >> > me. thanks. > If it's a 2.8 or a 3.1 V-6: Don't see how since no V-6 was offered in the 1998 Cavalier. > Most likely you have a leaking intake manifold gasket. Really? > If it has overheated a few times, you'll also need a head gasket, and maybe > a head too. Certainly a possibility with either of the two 4 cylinder engines available that year. > Each ignition cable goes to a separate ignition coil on the late 88 V-6's. Twasn't the case in 88 nor is it the case with this 98. > I hope this helps. I don't think so... > RK > > i'm working on a 98 chevy cavalier. i pool out the spark plugs and 3 > > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help > > me. thanks. I hope you're sure about that? Check some reliable information, you'll see all the GM's like the Pontiac and the Buick were offered with a 2.8 in 88 and 89. The 3.1 was an option in 90 and standard in 91. RK >> If it's a 2.8 or a 3.1 V-6: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help >> > me. thanks. > I hope you're sure about that? Sure about what? That the OPs car is a 98? Well, that's what he stated, who am I to disagree? > Check some reliable information, I have reliable information a few mouse clicks away. I also know I've never seen a V-6 engine in a 1998 Chevy Cavalier. (not stock anyway) I further know that the 2.8 and 3.1 liter V-6 engines that were offered in 1988 and 1998 did not have 6 ignition coils, but if that's what you sell your customers, good luck not getting caught. > you'll see all the GM's like the Pontiac > and the Buick were offered with a 2.8 in 88 and 89. And what does information about a 20 year old car have to do with a 10 year old car? > The 3.1 was an option in 90 and standard in 91. Ya lost me there... > RK > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >> > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help > >> > me. thanks. As I stated; I read 88: So now go play with your mouse. I have Mitchell on demand, Alldata and Carsoft. PLONK! PS 3 Coils. >> I hope you're sure about that? > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> >> > help >> >> > me. thanks. > As I stated; > > I read 88: Most of us read "98." > So now go play with your mouse. > > I have Mitchell on demand, Alldata and Carsoft. And you don't know how to use it? Why is it you have to run into work tomorrow to double check what's mounted to the radiator support on a 94 Taurus on your information system when I can access that exact same information from anywhere in the world? The boss won't let you have the login and password will he? > PLONK! OH GOD!! What will I do? > PS > > 3 Coils. Very good! Did you figure that out on your own or did you get help? > >> I hope you're sure about that? > > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >> >> > help > >> >> > me. thanks. I read it as an 88: Need glasses. But the 88. 89 and 90 had the 2,8. However, you seem to contradict everyone, are you a bit insecure? RK >> If it's a 2.8 or a 3.1 V-6: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help >> > me. thanks. > I read it as an 88: It's a 98. No V-6 engine in 98 Cavalier > Need glasses. Sorry, I'm a mechanic, not an Optometrist. > But the 88. 89 and 90 had the 2,8. And? > However, you seem to contradict everyone, Not everyone. However, I'll contradict anyone who gives bullshit information. > are you a bit insecure? Not in the least. Now I get to ask a question; Do you know what the f.ck you're talking about? > RK > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >> > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help > >> > me. thanks. In fact: I do a.shole, but now I'll troll for your mistakes. I see you tried the same sh.t with Marsh Monster, and he tore you a new one. I counted them, I made three mistakes, and I do have a life, out of here and am a well respected technician in my area. So you being a mechanic means you're a grease monkey. Bye woman. PS You can only dream of an AAR Cuda, but however I did restore one, that the couple paid 350K for. What's your claim to fame other than troll? >> I read it as an 88: > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >> >> > help >> >> > me. thanks. > In fact: > > I do a.shole, but now I'll troll for your mistakes. a.shole? What name do you have for someone who can't read, gives out incorrect information and all around in general comes across as a wash rack hand? > I see you tried the same sh.t with Marsh Monster, and he tore you a new one. He did? He's almost as technically inept as you are. Almost. What was it he called a graphing scanner.. A "waveform scanner?" Yup, the tool catalogs are full of those. > I counted them, I made three mistakes, and I do have a life, out of here and > am a well respected technician in my area. Funny, in another thread, you don't even know what a CCRM is, you gotta run into work and ask one of the real mechanics. > So you being a mechanic means > you're a grease monkey. No, you thinking you're a "technician" is a f.cking joke. Does calling yourself a "technician" make you feel better about yourself? Who is insecure? > Bye woman. This is not the group for expressing your sexual fantasies. > PS > You can only dream of an AAR Cuda, but however I did restore one, that the > couple paid 350K for. Well, if in fact you did work one, I guess that means that YOU can only dream of an AAR. Ooooh, you worked on one? I've worked on dozens. Hey, by chance was that the one that the owners took to the MoPar Nationals a few years ago and spent the whole duration of the show whining and crying about how poorly the car scored in judging because of all the mistakes and poor workmanship even though they had spent so much money on it? Now tell me; did you charge them $350,000 to restore it or did they pay that much for it, or is that what they paid to have it straightened out after you f.cked it up because you can't even read? > What's your claim to fame other than troll? Claim to fame? Is there something in the above (I must have missed it) that makes YOU famous? Other than obviously not knowing your a.s from a hole in the ground? > >> I read it as an 88: > > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >> >> > help > >> >> > me. thanks. > In fact: > > I do a.shole, but now I'll troll for your mistakes. I made one over in one of the chevy truck groups in the last few days. See if you can find it. <thought> I just admitted to a mistake, I guess that makes me an even bigger a.shole. > > In fact: > > > I do a.shole, but now I'll troll for your mistakes. He "does" a.shole? That seems irrelevant. Furthermore, how is 'trolling for mistakes' a logical conjunct to the (presumed) normal activity of 'doing a.sholes'? > I made one over in one of the chevy truck groups in the last few > days. See if you can find it. I'm thinking of a designation... C114. It's a relatively obscure reference that RK won't be able to search. Am I warm? > <thought> I just admitted to a mistake, I guess that makes me an > even bigger a.shole. Well then, I must be a tremendous a.shole, what with all the mistakes I've fessed up to :-) * Toyota MDT in MO * NOTE: not the only indication that I'm an a.shole In article <619f05f8-8fda-4de4-a1ee-3b4704e2d88f@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.co m>, > > > In fact: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'm thinking of a designation... C114. It's a relatively obscure > reference that RK won't be able to search. Am I warm? Warm enough to melt the snow up here. ;-) > > <thought> I just admitted to a mistake, I guess that makes me an > > even bigger a.shole. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > * NOTE: not the only indication that I'm an a.shole i would say he corrected you not contradicted you > I read it as an 88: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >> > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help > >> > me. thanks. > i'm working on a 98 chevy cavalier. i pool out the spark plugs and 3 > of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help > me. thanks. you might have a bad head gasket seal. or spark plug seals. It depends where the condensation is going. If it's on the outside, there's a chance rain water is entering the back of the hood, at the cowl. RK >> i'm working on a 98 chevy cavalier. i pool out the spark plugs and 3 >> of them are not sparking and they have condensation. can anybody help >> me. thanks. > > you might have a bad head gasket seal. or spark plug seals.
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