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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2008

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Transmission Seal

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electricalsignrepair@msn.com - 02 Jan 2008 03:23 GMT
I recently had my Chevy truck 3500 series (diesel) rear main seal
replaced, for which I was charged $900.00.  Two weeks later my truck
starts pouring out transmission fluid.  Please note that I have owned
this truck since it was new and it has never leaked a drop of trans.
fluid.  My mechanic told me that they had to pull the trans. to
replace the rear main seal but replacing the front seal of the trans.
is a judgment call.  I took the truck back to my mechanic and he
informed me that my trans. was shot and needed a rebuild, when I
argued my point of view to him he blew me off and proceeded with the
repair without my ok.  When I went to retrieve my truck he handed me a
bill for $2356.31 to rebuild my trans.  Is it me or am I being totally
screwed here or what.  And if I am does anyone have any suggestions as
to what my next move should be?
Refinish King - 02 Jan 2008 04:43 GMT
Replacing the front trans seal can be a double edge sword:

Not replacing it can cause exactly what happened to you.

But, replacing the seal, then it leaks by a worn front pump bushing. The
repair comes back to haunt you.

So it was a judgment call that worked out well for the shop, and I don't
think he screwed you at all. But, I would have offered a few options, as
would have a couple of other regular posters here. The options would have
been:

1- Let you make the call to not replace the front seal at all.

2- Given you the option of deciding to go ahead and replace the front seal
only.

3- pull the front pump, put a new convertor bushing in the pump and replace
the seal. Also, if the convertor was worn at the bushing and seal area,
replace that too.

But, all would have had no guarantee on the transmission at all.

But, that was when I was running my shop full time, and I don't do outside
repairs that much. Marsh Monster on the other hand, is a transmission
specialist. So he can lead you in the right direction.

In many states, if the customer does not authorize the repair by a signed
repair order, or a phone authorization. You are not responsible to pay, and
could take your truck.

But, I think this shop kind of did you a favor in disguise, the transmission
would have failed eventually.

So now you have a rebuilt transmission. With a warranty. (I hope)

I hope this flip flopping advice helps you.

RK
>I recently had my Chevy truck 3500 series (diesel) rear main seal
> replaced, for which I was charged $900.00.  Two weeks later my truck
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> screwed here or what.  And if I am does anyone have any suggestions as
> to what my next move should be?
electricalsignrepair@msn.com - 03 Jan 2008 04:17 GMT
> Replacing the front trans seal can be a double edge sword:
>
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> > screwed here or what.  And if I am does anyone have any suggestions as
> > to what my next move should be?

Thanks for the replys but I seem to be missing my point.  My truck is
a 91 Chevy 3500 series cab and chassis with  a 43 ft. Terex aerial
lift, and a Miller Hot Start welder.  This truck is my bread and
butter so to speak, and since moving to Florida from the Carolinas 19
months ago, it has been one problem after another when it comes to the
up keep of this vehicle.  I certainly understand occasional break
downs and maintenance, but since working with this mechanic I have had
6 major occurrences with my truck, and all seem to be linked together
in a very odd since. I do regular 4000 mile maintenance on the truck
with filter changes every 12000 miles and belt and hose replacement
once a year.  I am very anal about the upkeep of this truck, as I rely
on it for 90% of my income.  But as anyone who is a player in the game
of  maintenance and repair, I kind of sense when I am being taken
advantage of, and now is one of those times.  My truck has 200000
miles on it, but the engine was replaced at 70000 miles with a new
crate engine, and the transmission was replaced at 135000 with a new
crate transmission.  I made these replacements not because they were
necessary, but because I depend on the truck so much for my way of
life, I felt it was a safe play for my future.  Now after a simple
break change, 3 weeks later I loose the rear end of my truck, and low
and behold inside the housing with all the broken rear end gears is a
mangled 9/16 socket.  $1300 and 4 weeks later I have to replace a
drive shaft and the universals, then 2 weeks later the carrier bearing
on the drive shaft, 3 weeks later still I begin to hear a knock in the
front of the motor, and have to spend $800 more dollars to replace a
crank shaft pulley that looked as though someone had torched and
melted all of the rubber balance off the back of.  Then I develope a
massive oil leak and am told it's the rear main seal which will cost
me another $900.  Now I am stuck with a transmission rebuild less than
4 weeks after the last repair which is costing me nearly $2400.  Does
anyone see what I am getting at here?  I know of a lot of crooks in
this world of ours, and I think that I have come across one of the
worst yet, and I am highly pissed.  Even if all these other things
were mere coincidence, $2400 for a trans. rebuild?  I have 4 other
estimates including one from the highest bastards in the world Aamco
Trans. and the largest was $1800.  I apologize for ranting, but I have
had enough with dishonest people, they don't deserve to be in
business, and I work to hard to be taken advantage of.
jim - 03 Jan 2008 13:33 GMT
>  Now after a simple
> break change, 3 weeks later I loose the rear end of my truck, and low
> and behold inside the housing with all the broken rear end gears is a
> mangled 9/16 socket.

>  Does
> anyone see what I am getting at here?  I know of a lot of crooks in
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> had enough with dishonest people, they don't deserve to be in
> business, and I work to hard to be taken advantage of.

If your question is are there incompetent mechanics and do they stay in
business? The answer is obvious. Yes there are many incompetent mechanics
and many do very well because their incompetence generates return
business. But the real incompetence here is that you and other consumers
keep taking your vehicles back to this guy.

    I mean it seems pretty obvious that if the rear end goes out on your
truck and you find a mangled 8/16 socket inside that the only way it could
have gotten in there is thru the open axle tube when the brakes were done.
I don't think the rear end fill hole is big enough to fit a 9/16 socket.
What's amazing is that it rattled around inside there for 3 weeks before
it got tangled in the gears.  
    But is this guy a crook? Probably not. A crook would have put any old
chunk of metal in there. A crook would have put a broken chunk of gear (he
would have lots of them) in there and you never would have known what
caused it. This guy probably loses sockets everyday.

-jim
Refinish King - 04 Jan 2008 04:41 GMT
Now I can understand your point!

You should have requested the old parts back, and have someone you know with
mechanical skills. Look at them.

I'm sorry for your problem. I hate thieves.

With kind regards,

RK
>> Replacing the front trans seal can be a double edge sword:
>>
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> had enough with dishonest people, they don't deserve to be in
> business, and I work to hard to be taken advantage of.
Scott Dorsey - 02 Jan 2008 15:56 GMT
>I recently had my Chevy truck 3500 series (diesel) rear main seal
>replaced, for which I was charged $900.00.  Two weeks later my truck
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>screwed here or what.  And if I am does anyone have any suggestions as
>to what my next move should be?

Find out where the transmission is leaking from.

Tell us what year this thing is and how many miles are on it.  Your
transmission may well need a rebuild.  Then again, it might be just
the front seal.  On the gripping hand, if you have to pull the thing
to change the front seal, but it has 150k on it, you might as well get
a rebuild anyway whether it needs it or not.
--scott
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