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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2008

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J - 02 Jan 2008 04:37 GMT
I bought my 1994 Chevrolet Corsica brand new and it has no modifications.
The car is well taken care of, has a 6 cylinder engine with 155,000 miles,
is in excellent condition and has never given me any problems until now.

For the past few months the vehicle's electrical system intermittently
surges from 12 volts to 19 volts (according to my voltmeter) at random
times. When it surges up, a red light on the instrument panel that is shaped
like a battery comes on. When it drops back down to 12 volts the light goes
out.

When it surges up, my headlights get very bright and my heater blower speeds
up. I have replaced 4 headlight bulbs in as many months but nothing else has
blown out.

Sometimes the power surges up and down every few seconds, while at other
times I can drive for hours without it surging at all. I have never smelled
anything burning, nor have any of the fuses been warm to the touch when I
touched them.

It does surge more often at high RPM than low. However, it sometimes doesn't
seem to be affected by RPM. Sometimes it is fine until I accelerate at which
time it surges, while at other times it doesn't surge at all when I
accelerate.

I cannot find a pattern to this in regards to hitting bumps in the road,
temperature and humidity, etc. The only item of auxiliary equipment in the
car is a police scanner and I have verified that it is properly connected to
the vehicle's electrical system. None of these seem to be the cause.

Due to the fact that I am worried that the car will become damaged, I have
installed a brand new battery, alternator (that contains an internal voltage
regulator), and battery cables. I have made a visual inspection of the many
wires and cables under the hood and they all appear to be sound and in good
condition.

Will someone in this newsgroup please give me some advice on what to look
for? Thank you for the assistance.
Steve W. - 02 Jan 2008 14:44 GMT
> I bought my 1994 Chevrolet Corsica brand new and it has no modifications.
> The car is well taken care of, has a 6 cylinder engine with 155,000 miles,
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Will someone in this newsgroup please give me some advice on what to look
> for? Thank you for the assistance.

Check the ground strap from the engine to the chassis and the ground
connection for the battery. Check the wiring connection on the
alternator for any loose/corroded areas.

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philthy - 05 Jan 2008 23:12 GMT
replace the alt.
it's the only thing that can generate that kind of voltage

> > I bought my 1994 Chevrolet Corsica brand new and it has no modifications.
> > The car is well taken care of, has a 6 cylinder engine with 155,000 miles,
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> it's more like a jar of jalapenos-
> what you do today could burn your a.s tomorrow!
Scott Dorsey - 02 Jan 2008 16:00 GMT
>Due to the fact that I am worried that the car will become damaged, I have
>installed a brand new battery, alternator (that contains an internal voltage
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Will someone in this newsgroup please give me some advice on what to look
>for? Thank you for the assistance.

The problem is with the voltage regulator.  If you have changed the alternator
and (internal) regulator, start looking for bad ground connections on the
alternator or engine block.  If the regulator does not have a good ground
reference it will not work right.
--scott

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lugnut - 02 Jan 2008 18:39 GMT
>I bought my 1994 Chevrolet Corsica brand new and it has no modifications.
>The car is well taken care of, has a 6 cylinder engine with 155,000 miles,
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>Will someone in this newsgroup please give me some advice on what to look
>for? Thank you for the assistance.

If you have already replaced the battery and internally
regulated alternator, then you need to look for a bad or
corroded connection.  It is a must that all power and ground
connections be clean and tight.  You should not wait to take
care of this as an overvoltage can take out your electronics
like the PCM in short order and, can cost you a lot of
money.  If you are not familiar with how to chase electrical
circuits for faults, you should seek the services of a
professional or a knowledgeable friend or relative.

Lugnut
AZ Nomad - 02 Jan 2008 19:45 GMT
>If you have already replaced the battery and internally
>regulated alternator, then you need to look for a bad or
>corroded connection.  It is a must that all power and ground

A corroded connection can only lower the voltage.

If the alternator's output is restricted to 14.4V, no method of poorly
connecting the alternator can result in a car's electrical system going over
14.4V.

I suppose if you disconnected the alternator's ground and connected it to
the battery's positive post then you could get over 14.4V but I seriously
doubt this is occuring.
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 03 Jan 2008 06:43 GMT
>>If you have already replaced the battery and internally
>>regulated alternator, then you need to look for a bad or
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>the battery's positive post then you could get over 14.4V but I seriously
>doubt this is occuring.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this, but isn't it possible
that a bad connection is causing the *regulator* to be seeing low
voltage and that it is allowing the alternator to deliver higher
voltages until it reads what it thinks is the proper voltage?

Pete

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AZ Nomad - 03 Jan 2008 16:07 GMT
>>>If you have already replaced the battery and internally
>>>regulated alternator, then you need to look for a bad or
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>the battery's positive post then you could get over 14.4V but I seriously
>>doubt this is occuring.

>Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this, but isn't it possible
>that a bad connection is causing the *regulator* to be seeing low
>voltage and that it is allowing the alternator to deliver higher
>voltages until it reads what it thinks is the proper voltage?

Only a bad connnection internal to the alternator can do that.

If the alternator's ground isn't connected then it won't charge.
Dave Allured - 02 Jan 2008 19:48 GMT
By any chance does your Corsica have an electric windshield heater?  I
once worked on this wierd system where the alternater would be switched
over to the windshield and cranked up to as much as 70 volts.  That may
have just been a Ford thing, though.  Late 80's or early 90's I think.

Otherwise I concur with others about checking all connections in your
battery and charging circuit, especially ground straps.

Excessive output voltage is generally caused by a bad voltage regulator,
or specifically the alternator's field terminal shorted to the battery
positive circuit.  I'm not sure if your alternator has an external field
terminal.

You might check inside the alternator connector(s) or the wiring harness
for visible shorts, stray wire strands, broken insulation, etc.

--Dave

> I bought my 1994 Chevrolet Corsica brand new and it has no modifications.
> The car is well taken care of, has a 6 cylinder engine with 155,000 miles,
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Will someone in this newsgroup please give me some advice on what to look
> for? Thank you for the assistance.
Dave Allured - 03 Jan 2008 15:35 GMT
I posted bad advice, sorry.  This part may be wrong:

"Excessive output voltage is ... caused by ... specifically the
alternator's field terminal shorted to the battery positive circuit".

No, it depends on the alternator.  In some the field current is
regulated by adjusting the field terminal current to positive, in others
it's to ground.  In some it's more complicated than either.

In any case it is possible that some kind of external short to any of
the external alternator terminals *might* increase the field current and
cause excessive output voltage.  That is something that you *might* find
by inspection if you are lucky.

It is also possible that you got a second defective voltage regulator in
the replacement alternator, though that seems unlikely as Nomad pointed
out.

It is possible to test the alternator with only the positive and ground
connected to the car, but you must know exactly how to rig the other
terminals for this to be safe, and this depends on the circuit.

At this point I think you should either find a complete diagram for your
specific alternator circuit, carefully measure all terminals and
understand the results, or else get experienced assistance.

--Dave

> By any chance does your Corsica have an electric windshield heater?  I
> once worked on this wierd system where the alternater would be switched
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> > Will someone in this newsgroup please give me some advice on what to look
> > for? Thank you for the assistance.
J - 03 Jan 2008 21:18 GMT
One thing I didn't mention is that a few months ago my power steering line
sprang a leak and heavily sprayed part of the engine compartment with fluid.
Now that that has occurred to me, I wonder if some power steering fluid may
have leeched into an electrical connector and is affecting the voltage
regulator/alternator.The power steering leak was in the area between the
engine and the firewall and there was very little in that area that did not
get sprayed with fluid.

There is a harness coming out of the alternator that I believe has 4 wires.
When I unplug it, the alternator stops supplying electrical current to the
vehicle.

Thank you to all who have responded.

> I posted bad advice, sorry.  This part may be wrong:
>
[quoted text clipped - 79 lines]
> > > Will someone in this newsgroup please give me some advice on what to look
> > > for? Thank you for the assistance.
AZ Nomad - 03 Jan 2008 21:32 GMT
>One thing I didn't mention is that a few months ago my power steering line
>sprang a leak and heavily sprayed part of the engine compartment with fluid.
>Now that that has occurred to me, I wonder if some power steering fluid may
>have leeched into an electrical connector and is affecting the voltage
>regulator/alternator.The power steering leak was in the area between the

Not likely.

And please quit top posting and learn to trim what you quote.

?backwards everything reading like people think you do Or
aarcuda69062 - 04 Jan 2008 01:38 GMT
> There is a harness coming out of the alternator that I believe has 4 wires.
> When I unplug it, the alternator stops supplying electrical current to the
> vehicle.

Have you actually tested at this connector to see if the proper
voltages are there when they should be?

One of the wires in that connector is a voltage sensing circuit,
if that circuit is open, the alternator will output too high of
voltage.

Some CS series alternators have internal voltage sensing,
according to the wiring diagrams, your Corsica has the external
sensing circuit, protected by 2 fuse links between the alternator
and battery positive.  I bet one of those fuse links is open.

> Thank you to all who have responded.
AZ Nomad - 04 Jan 2008 03:27 GMT
>> There is a harness coming out of the alternator that I believe has 4 wires.
>> When I unplug it, the alternator stops supplying electrical current to the
>> vehicle.

>Have you actually tested at this connector to see if the proper
>voltages are there when they should be?

>One of the wires in that connector is a voltage sensing circuit,
>if that circuit is open, the alternator will output too high of
>voltage.

>Some CS series alternators have internal voltage sensing,
>according to the wiring diagrams, your Corsica has the external
>sensing circuit, protected by 2 fuse links between the alternator
>and battery positive.  I bet one of those fuse links is open.

There is no way the car is designed to blow out it's electrical
system because of an open fuseable link.
aarcuda69062 - 04 Jan 2008 03:58 GMT
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<slrnfnr9s6.754.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,

> >> There is a harness coming out of the alternator that I believe has 4
> >> wires.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> There is no way the car is designed to blow out it's electrical
> system because of an open fuseable link.

"Designed to blow out its electrical?"

Cars aren't "designed" to go in the ditch when a tie rod end
breaks, yet they do.

Have you looked at the charging system wiring diagram for this
car?

It's obvious where he should be looking.
Scott Dorsey - 04 Jan 2008 15:39 GMT
>>Some CS series alternators have internal voltage sensing,
>>according to the wiring diagrams, your Corsica has the external
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>There is no way the car is designed to blow out it's electrical
>system because of an open fuseable link.

An open link on a sense line will prevent the regulator from seeing
the operating voltage.  Hence, regulation goes to hell.
--scott
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Scott Dorsey - 04 Jan 2008 15:37 GMT
>One thing I didn't mention is that a few months ago my power steering line
>sprang a leak and heavily sprayed part of the engine compartment with fluid.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>engine and the firewall and there was very little in that area that did not
>get sprayed with fluid.

No, a little hydraulic fluid won't hurt anything.  It may even prevent future
corrosion.

>There is a harness coming out of the alternator that I believe has 4 wires.
>When I unplug it, the alternator stops supplying electrical current to the
>vehicle.

And where does it go?
--scott

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Rodan - 03 Jan 2008 21:37 GMT
J wrote:       (1994 Chevrolet Corsica 6 Cyl  155k)

For the past few months the electrical system intermittently surges from 12V
to 19V (according to my voltmeter) at random times.    When it surges, a red
light on the instrument panel that is shaped like a battery comes on.    When
it drops back down to 12V the light goes out.    During a surge the headlights
get very bright and the heater blower speeds up.    I have replaced 4 headlight
bulbs in 4 months but nothing else has blown out.

Sometimes it surges up and down every few seconds, other times I can drive
for hours without it surging at all.  I have never smelled anything burning, nor
have any fuses been warm to the touch.    It does surge more often at high
RPM than low.   However, it sometimes doesn't seem to be affected by RPM.
Sometimes it is fine until I accelerate at which time it surges, while at other
times it doesn't surge at all when I accelerate.

I can not find any pattern to this such as to hitting bumps in the road,
changing temperature and humidity, etc.    I am worried that the car will
become damaged, so I have installed a new battery, a new alternator (that
contains an internal voltage regulator), and new battery cables.    All of the
wires and cables under the hood that are visible appear to be sound and in
good condition.  Can someone please suggest what to look for?
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You didn't say whether the new battery/alternator/cables made any difference,
so the problem must have remained.   If so, I would suspect:

Defective Control Module.     Some alternators are controlled by a remote
voltage regulator in an electronic module.    Your post stressed that the new
alternator has an internal regulator, suggesting that the old alternator did
not.    If so, consider replacing the defective module and installing an original
equipment alternator in the car.   First, try taking the module connector on
and off a few times, to improve the connection.

Defective Voltage Regulator.      This will cause surging, but you replaced the
alternator with a new one which presumably has a good regulator.   If the old
alternator had a remote regulator, that regulator should be wired out of the
circuit.   Take the new alternator back to the parts store and have it tested.

Defective Ground Connection.    A correctly regulated alternator has a peak
output of about 14.5V, relative to its own ground.    A bad ground connection
between the regulator and the battery will cause a voltage drop to appear
across the bad connection, and the regulator will add 14.5V to the spurious
voltage drop.   Recheck all ground connections, especially battery to block
and block to chassis.     Connect a wire from the alternator housing directly
to the battery negative post.   If this good ground solves the problem, it
will confirm that there is a bad ground connection somewhere.

Good luck.

Rodan.
 
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