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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2008

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Anyone heard of "OBD1.5" ?                Especially anyone at Autozone?

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J - 08 Jan 2008 04:39 GMT
Autozone employees in this newsgroup please read this: You cannot use the
"paperclip method" to read error codes in hybrid OBD 1.5 systems. You can
damage people's cars when you attempt do so. Mechanics in this newsgroup
please print this out and drop it by the Autozone in your community the next
time you go there for parts so hopefully they won't damage someone else's
car.

I am convinced that Autozone should stop reading codes and instead refer
people to local mechanics to perform this service.

In regards to my previous post of my 1994 Corsica having very high voltage,
my mechanic told me that when Autozone used the paperclip method to attempt
to read my OBD port, they did it wrong and damaged the PCM. When he (my
mechanic not Autozone) plugged his scantool in, it indicated a stored code
of a PCM failure. He said this is also why my radiator fan keeps coming on
and off all the time when the engine is cool. (The coolant temperature
sensor throws the signal to the PCM which tells the fan to turn on)

What he told me is this: My Chevy Corsica is a 1994. In that year, they
neither used an OBDI nor an OBDII system. Instead they used a hybrid system
commonly referred to as the "OBD 1.5" which cannot be read by sticking a
paper clip into the connector like they do on the OBDI systems.

I heartily recommend that none of you take any 1994-1995 vehicles that use
the "OBD1.5" system to Autozone to have the codes read. I have investigated
and found that the Autozone store in my community is not equipped with a
scantool that is capable of reading the hybrid "OBD 1.5" systems. I assume
that is also true of all other Autozone stores. Apparently Autozone is not
aware of the differences in these OBD systems and consequently is not able
train it's employees to properly identify the type of OBD system prior to
attempting to read codes. When the Autozone employee stuck the metal device
that resembles a key into my OBD socket, he couldn't get the light to flash
on the dashboard so he took a paper clip and started touching the wires
together on the OBD socket and nothing would happen. He then told me that I
should just take it to the dealer. It was about that time that my radiator
fan began cycling off and on intermittently when the engine is cool and
still does today, and this high voltage electrical surge problem began
occurring. My mechanic said that he believes that Autozone crossed the 12
volt line into the OBD data line and damaged the PCM when they were touching
wires together with the paper clip in an attempt to read codes.
Paul - 08 Jan 2008 05:02 GMT
> Re: Anyone heard of "OBD1.5" ?  

A few of us here know about that.  But you really should
post that on alt.autos.gm since is it a gm protocol.
Most of us there know about obd 1.5.
J - 08 Jan 2008 05:11 GMT
Thanks for that info reference to alt.autos.gm. I didn't know that newsgroup
existed.

But you really should
> post that on alt.autos.gm since is it a gm protocol.
Steve B. - 08 Jan 2008 21:52 GMT
>fan began cycling off and on intermittently when the engine is cool and
>still does today, and this high voltage electrical surge problem began
>occurring. My mechanic said that he believes that Autozone crossed the 12
>volt line into the OBD data line and damaged the PCM when they were touching
>wires together with the paper clip in an attempt to read codes.

You continuing to drive the car with 19v feeding a computer designed
for 14v is just as likely to have caused your PCM problems as anything
that AutoZone did.

         Steve B.
Comboverfish - 09 Jan 2008 20:26 GMT
> Autozone employees in this newsgroup please read this: You cannot use the
> "paperclip method" to read error codes in hybrid OBD 1.5 systems. You can
> damage people's cars when you attempt do so. Mechanics in this newsgroup
> please print this out and drop it by the Autozone in your community the next
> time you go there for parts so hopefully they won't damage someone else's
> car.

In adition to the classic addage "you get what you pay for", I'd like
to add "if someone offers you something for free, you'll probably get
boned somehow if you take it".

Toyota MDT in MO
John S. - 09 Jan 2008 20:27 GMT
> Autozone employees in this newsgroup please read this: You cannot use the
> "paperclip method" to read error codes in hybrid OBD 1.5 systems. You can
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> volt line into the OBD data line and damaged the PCM when they were touching
> wires together with the paper clip in an attempt to read codes.

I'm not sure that you really have cause and effect nailed down.
 
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