I am in the market for a new car. There are several that interest me. I'm
finding the option packages to be bizarre and annoying. For example: To
get an upgraded radio, I have to buy a sunroof. To get fog lights, I have
to get an automatic transmission. On one, for fog lights, I have to buy 3
different packages and a spoiler, raing the price by over 8000 dollars. To
get an upgraded radio, I have to buy an automatic transmission.
Who comes up with these combinations? I realize the packages make things
easier for the manufacturers and dealers, but when did the customer get lost
in the shuffle? Am I the only one who thinks this sucks?
mg

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Dave Allured - 26 Jan 2008 01:39 GMT
> I am in the market for a new car. There are several that interest me. I'm
> finding the option packages to be bizarre and annoying. For example: To
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> easier for the manufacturers and dealers, but when did the customer get lost
> in the shuffle? Am I the only one who thinks this sucks?
You are not alone. My guess would be "corporate market analysts". They
are simply tring to maximize the profit model for the corporation, which
is what they are paid to do. The crime is that fairness to the customer
base is not part of their equation.
The last time I bought a new car, quite a while ago, I bought the
economy package, then paid the dealer a few hundred extra for indiviual
upgrades. BTW, that dealer was one of the good guys and I would go back
if I needed to.
It seems to me that radio and fog lights are both in the category of
easy upgrades. Don't play the package game if it doesn't sit right with
you. If the dealer balks, then just get the basic package, then take
your business to a different dealer for upgrades. If that doesn't work,
consider independent shops who will install these as aftermarket
accessories.
--Dave
John S. - 26 Jan 2008 01:50 GMT
> I am in the market for a new car. There are several that interest me. I'm
> finding the option packages to be bizarre and annoying. For example: To
> get an upgraded radio, I have to buy a sunroof. To get fog lights, I have
> to get an automatic transmission. On one, for fog lights, I have to buy 3
> different packages and a spoiler, raing the price by over 8000 dollars. To
> get an upgraded radio, I have to buy an automatic transmission.
You need to look at another car. I've never heard of the radio or a
sunroof being tied into purchase of an automatic transmission. On
most cars the auto trans is standard but the manual gearbox is extra.
> Who comes up with these combinations?
The car manufacturer - who else?????
> I realize the packages make things
> easier for the manufacturers and dealers, but when did the customer get lost
> in the shuffle?
Most of the packages I've seen on the cars I'm interested in make
sense. And the features are usually available separately but the
combined price is usually a lot more than the package.
> Am I the only one who thinks this sucks?
Possibly not, but I don't see it as a problem. If commonly requested
options can be packaged at a good price then I'm for it. And this is
the case with thw cars I look at.
> mg
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Ray - 26 Jan 2008 03:20 GMT
> I am in the market for a new car. There are several that interest me. I'm
> finding the option packages to be bizarre and annoying. For example: To
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>
> mg
Yes, it's silly. I'm not sure why they do it - I think the Japanese
started this back in the 70's. I think it's ease of mfr/sales because
the number of possible option combos gets totally nuts otherwise.
If it's any consolation, when I bought my Trans Am, this is what I faced:
Firebird Formula. 6 speed std. 4 speed auto +$600.
Firebird Trans Am. 4 speed auto std. 6 speed manual +$600.
To me, that was a real WTF moment. of course, I wanted the TA with a
stick, so I paid the $600.
You _may_ be able to split the option packages apart. For example, on
Camaros (when they still sold them) there was actually a way to get AC
delete if you wanted it, but it wasn't listed anywhere. For Firebirds,
the Firehawk package was listed... nowhere, you needed to know how to
order one. (WU6 was the magic word...)
Ray
Ray
Scott Dorsey - 26 Jan 2008 19:46 GMT
>I am in the market for a new car. There are several that interest me. I'm
>finding the option packages to be bizarre and annoying. For example: To
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>easier for the manufacturers and dealers, but when did the customer get lost
>in the shuffle? Am I the only one who thinks this sucks?
The manufacturer has sat down and figured out what options people want
most, and bundled them up with things that people don't want much, in
order to optimize their total profits.
From the standpoint of someone wanting to buy a car, it sucks. From the
standpoint of the manufacturer's shareholders, it's great.
Buy the car stripped down, with no features at all. You'll find that
even without the fog lights, the fog light wiring will be in place since
they're using a standard harness. Get the fog lights and the switch from
a junkyard and install them. Voila, a nonstandard configuration!
Don't ever spend the money for the upgraded radio... most of the manufacturer
supplied sound systems aren't particularly good and they are all very expensive.
Remember, the wiring harnessed for the upgraded radio are in place already.
Take the radio out and put an aftermarket in.
It's your car. There's no reason to put up with what the dealer wants to
sell you. Buy the car stripped down and add whatever you want.
--scott

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Nate Nagel - 26 Jan 2008 22:48 GMT
>>I am in the market for a new car. There are several that interest me. I'm
>>finding the option packages to be bizarre and annoying. For example: To
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> sell you. Buy the car stripped down and add whatever you want.
> --scott
Most factory fog lights are pretty worthless too; better to buy
aftermarket from someone like Cibie or Hella instead.
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Dave L - 27 Jan 2008 03:40 GMT
>>I am in the market for a new car. There are several that interest me.
>>I'm
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>>lost
>>in the shuffle? Am I the only one who thinks this sucks?
It's the car manufacturers who do this along with their bean counters. They
try to package things for fun & sun such as an upgraded stereo, sunroof,
spoiler, wheels, etc. Or Safety such as stability control, airbags for the
knees, etc.
> The manufacturer has sat down and figured out what options people want
> most, and bundled them up with things that people don't want much, in
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> they're using a standard harness. Get the fog lights and the switch from
> a junkyard and install them. Voila, a nonstandard configuration!
Fog lights are probably one of the easier aftermarket things to add.
> Don't ever spend the money for the upgraded radio... most of the
> manufacturer
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> already.
> Take the radio out and put an aftermarket in.
Sometimes it may not turn out too well with aftermarket stereos, only
because the way the dash is laid out in some cars the stereo is really
integrated. Take the Honda Accord as an example - looks like you'll have to
do some serious modification to the existing system to get something
aftermarket in there. Just the big volume control in the center, and the
smaller climate control knobs next to them. I've also never been impressed
with an aftermarket sunroof...
-Dave
> It's your car. There's no reason to put up with what the dealer wants to
> sell you. Buy the car stripped down and add whatever you want.
> --scott