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The Way to Paradise
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algagaa - 29 Jan 2008 05:28 GMT We are all in quest of true happiness. In this world, the idea of true/perfect happiness is not feasible because this world is inevitably doomed to total annihilation. True happiness is found only in dwelling upon Paradise, and enjoying its blessings. However, none would enter Paradise except the purified (those who are void of sins, void of an atom of grudge or malignance). Since Paradise is created only for the purified/pious, those who have evil looks (looking lustfully at strange women, and vice versa), who envy others, treat their fellowmen badly, hate mankind, or backbite cannot enter Paradise. To conclude, none can enter Paradise unless totally purified (sin-free).
Those who indulge in illegal talk (backbiting, using indecent language, etc.), or have sinful hearts are denied entry to Paradise. Allah (The sublime) said: "And those who kept their duty to Lord (AL- Muttaquin) will be driven/led to Paradise in groups, and when they reach there, its gates will be opened (before their arrival for their reception) and its keepers will say: Salamun Alaikum (peace be upon you)! How blessed you are (being sin-free and having done well), enter here (Paradise) to abide therein eternally." Surat Az-Zumar/The Groups: 73.
In another Surah, Allah says: "Those whose lives the angels take while they are in a pious state (pure from all evil, and worshipping none but only Allah) will be addressed as such: Salamun Alaikum (peace be upon you) enter Paradise due to that which you used to do (during your mortal life/in the world). Surat An-Nahl/The Bees: 32.
The above-mentioned verses set the condition that, in order to enter Paradise, we have to be sin-free and void of an atom of guilt! One may argue that since we are all sinners, it seems that none can enter Paradise!
Well, it is true that only the pious can enter Paradise, but, Allah (The Glorified), with His vast mercy, established eleven means to help us be purified: 4 in this world, 3 in the grave, and another 4 on the Day of Resurrection. These eleven means of purification aim at enabling us to cross/walk on the straight path rather than to slip and fall. This path is stretched over Hell fire and it is finer than a hair and sharper than the edge of a razor/sword!
Knowing the nature of the straight path, one may question how people would tread on that path! Well, some will cross/walk on it as fast as the blink of an eye, others will be as fast as the light, others will be as fast as the wind, others will crawl, and others will cling to the path, then the angels will lead and/or encourage them onwards (lest they should fall into Hell fire), while others will be snatched by the hooks (attached to the path) to ensure/hasten their fall into Fire.
4 Means/Standpoints of Purification in this World
1. Repentance: Repentance is not limited to asking for forgiveness or invoking Allah's mercy, rather, it is one of the greatest religious rituals to win Allah's love/satisfaction and a means to get closer to Him. Allah (The Sublime) says: "Allah loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves (by taking a bath and cleaning and washing thoroughly their private parts/bodies (in preparation for their prayers)". Surat AL-Baqarah/The Cow: 222.
Repentance removes sins, as Allah (The Sublime) says: "And verily, I'm indeed forgiving to him who repents, believes in My Oneness, and associates none in worshipping with Me, did righteous good deeds, and then remained faithful to such belief and good deeds". Surat Ta-Ha: 82.
Repentance changes evil deeds into good ones. Allah (The Glorified and The Exalted) said: "Except those who repented, believed in monotheism, and did righteous deeds; for those, Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful ". Surat AL-Furqan/The Criterion: 70.
2. Asking for Forgiveness: We (Moslems) should always ask Allah to forgive our sins (whether remembered or not). Allah's Messenger (PBUH), though being the most pious, endowed with the most knowledge of his Lord, and having had both his past and future guilt pardoned/forgiven (by Allah), he used to ask for Allah's forgiveness as many as a hundred times a day (an action that won't take more than a minute of your time). In this respect, the prophet (PBUH) says: "I swear by Allah, I do ask for Allah's forgiveness more than 70 times a day". This Hadith is quoted by AL- Bokhari.
Also, Bin Omar (the son of Omar)-may Allah be content with them all- said: we used to count for the messenger of Allah (in one session and before leaving his place) as many as 100 times saying: "O Lord! Forgive me my sins and accept my repentance, you are the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful". This Hadith is quoted by Abu Dawoud and AL-Turmuzi.
3. Good Deeds Remove Bad deeds: Change bad deeds with good ones because Abu Dhar Ibn Jundub and Abu abdulrahman Bin Muaz Bin Jabal (may Allah be content with them all) narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: "Fear Allah wherever you are and be keen to always change your bad deeds with good ones, and be nice to people." This Hadith is quoted by AL-Turmuzi.
Allah also said: "And perform As-Salaah (the daily five prayers) at the two ends of the day and in some hours in the night. Verily, the good deeds remove the bad ones. That is a reminder to those who always remember Allah (in prayers, while standing, sitting, or lying down on their sides)". Surat Hud: 114.
We must endeavor to do good deeds (no matter how simple they are). For example, we can replace "Hi" and/or "Bye" (even these two simple words are considered as "Good Deeds") with As-Salamu Alaikum and utilize our leisure time by always remembering Allah at all times (standing, sitting, eating, sleeping, working, driving, etc.).
The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) had always the desire to do a lot of good deeds (on a daily basis). For example, he refused to accept a present (a camel as a means of transportation) from his best companion (Abu Bark) for free, and insisted that he share its cost, thus hoping to be worthy of winning the reward of AL-Hijra (immigration to Medina).
We, likewise, need to do good deeds (not in quantity but in quality). Good deeds are best manifested in being wholly dedicated to your parents (especially in their old age) praying in the late hours of the night, praying in the early hours of dawn time, wearing the veil, and performing work perfectly.
4. Purifying Calamities: Allah puts His servants under severe tests (in this world) to have them purified from their sins and to enter Paradise sin-free. However, some people (not realizing the wisdom of such plights/tests) lament their destiny by saying; "O Lord, why have You ordained us (especially us) with such calamities?"
Those who did not repent, did not ask for forgiveness, did not do good deeds, and/or were not put to tests (i.e., not purified) in this world still have another chance for purification and that will take place in their graves! Thus, missing purification in this world (while being alive) will be completed in one's grave (while lying dead)! And that shows how great this religion is, as you won't be left but sin-free (either in this world or while lying dead in your grave).
To conclude, due to Allah's vast mercy and the simple demands for entering Paradise, we can say that none (of the Moslems) will enter Fire, (i.e., or more accurately, they will not abide there eternally).
3 Means/Standpoints of Purification in the Grave
5. The Funeral Prayer In this prayer, it is not the number of those standing behind the deceased (in a mosque) performing due funeral prayer that counts, instead it is the quality of the true believers who are present in this kind of prayer. The sincere supplications that come from such believers (in such congregations) will benefit the deceased. Though being dead, sincere supplication will greatly help the deceased to be purified for Paradise.
6. The Trial of the Grave Trial of the grave is best manifested in the questions asked by two angels (immediately after lying the dead in his grave): Who is your Lord? What is your religion? And what do you think about the man who was sent amongst you? (Referring to Allah's Messenger, PBUH). Other examples are: your fear facing these two angels, being alone in the grave (nobody there to support you), the darkness of the grave and, finally, your fear as you are enclosed therein. These trials are other means to remove all of our sins.
Those who have already been purified (while alive in the world) will not be subject to other trials (while lying dead in their graves.)
The prophet (PBUH) says: "A grave is either an orchard for Paradise or a pitfall for Hell". To conclude, a grave is not (as it is thought to be) a hideous dark place for beasts; on the contrary, it could be an orchard for Paradise!
7. Contribution of the Living to the Dead: When a Moslem dies, he can still have his sins removed by the good and sincere deeds dedicated to him by the living (especially from his relatives). The Ulamah (the religiously lectured of the nation) unanimously agree that all good deeds done by the living such as performing pilgrimage, Umrah (the visit to Al-Ka'ba in Makka), and sincere supplications do reach the dead only to purify them and then be sin-free.
In this respect, Abu Hurairah (one of the prophet's, PBUH, companions) said: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: "When the son of Adam dies, nothing will benefit him except one of the following three good righteous deeds: a non-stop Sadakah (charity), some kind of knowledge he left behind (useful to society), or a sincere supplication of his son." This Hadith is quoted by Moslim.
Therefore, if someone (who is really dear to you) is dead, you can perform pilgrimage, do Umrah, or pay Sadakah on their behalf (so that they become sin-free). Remember that the more useful the Sadakah to society is, the more the reward is, (needless to say that you will have your share as well).
To realize how merciful/great this religion is, it is important to know that somebody (while lying dead in his grave) can be freed from suffering/torment by the supplications of others who wish the deceased to be purified and sin-free for entry into Paradise.
4 Means/Standpoints of Purification on the Day of Resurrection
8. Horrors on the Day of Resurrection: Seeing the sun folded-up, the stars fall (after loosing their light), the seas blown-up, and the earth shaken with its (final) earthquake are all sin removers.
9. Standing Before Allah (The Glorified, The AL-Mighty): Another means to purify us from our sins is standing humbly
before Allah in an attempt to answer/face His following questions/ blame: My servant, didn't I bestow you with My blessings? Didn't I give you wealth? Weren't I the Watchful when you had illegal looks (Men looking lustfully at women, and vice versa, or at whatever you shouldn't)? Weren't I the Watchful when you used indecent language (thus misusing communication with others? Allah then keeps addressing His servant as saying: My servant, you have underestimated the day when you stand before Me! Were you fearless of the notion that the time will come when you stand before Me! You have put on beautiful masks (before all people) only to come before Me with the worst in you! My servant, what made you fall into deception (ignoring that I Am the Watchful)?
10.Allah's Amnesty: This is the greatest means in purifying us from our sins. Just as the prophets have already interceded, as did His Messengers and as did the believers, Allah (The Glorified, the Sublime) says: Wouldn't I?
Even knowing that we can all enter Paradise, there are still those who will fall off the path (for they deserve it). Others will not be purified even after passing through the above-mentioned eleven means of purification! They will fall into Fire, as they are sinful as well as guilty of committing foul/bad deeds, full of hatred and ever holding on to grudges. And the only way to purify such sinners is to let Fire do its job (similar to a piece of gold, which doesn't get its purity unless it is put into fire for the period required to make all other alloys vanish! In fact, the more it stays there, the greater its purity gets!
Likewise, whoever eventually falls into Fire will stay there long enough to become purified (depending on how sinful he is). Immediately after being completely purified (after dwelling in Hell for some time), the angels will greet him saying: "Peace be upon you, dwell here (in Paradise) forever."
In conclusion, in this world we own three of the means of the above- mentioned eleven purification standpoints: repentance, asking for forgiveness, and performing good deeds to remove the bad ones. Therefore, let's make as much use of them as we can (while we are still alive/before it is too late).
Remember that if you are a true believer (paying duty to Allah, believing in monotheism and associating none with Allah in worshipping), you will not suffer the trials in your grave and/or the horrors of the Day of Resurrection.
(May Allah Bless You All)
Hachiroku ハチロク - 02 Feb 2008 23:22 GMT > We are all in quest of true happiness. In this world, the idea of > true/perfect happiness is not feasible because this world is inevitably [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > purified/pious, those who have evil looks (looking lustfully at strange > women, Or strap bombs onto retarded women, send them where there are kids, and them blow them up.
The stupid ones are the 'martyrs', who strap bombs onto themselves for the 72 virgins. The smart ones coerce kids and the mentally handicapped and use them to do their dirty work.
Every time you post to Usenet, someone (usually kids) dies. Some kind of code?
Take your 'religion of peace' and SHOVE IT!
Retired VIP - 03 Feb 2008 01:15 GMT On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:22:54 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> We are all in quest of true happiness. In this world, the idea of >> true/perfect happiness is not feasible because this world is inevitably [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Take your 'religion of peace' and SHOVE IT! Amen Mr. Hachiroku. I'm getting really sick of hearing our leaders talk about how peaceful Islam is and then seeing them kill kids and women. The world would be a much better place without Islam!
Scott in Florida - 03 Feb 2008 01:22 GMT >On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:22:54 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@AE86.gts> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >talk about how peaceful Islam is and then seeing them kill kids and >women. The world would be a much better place without Islam! We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time.
We could 'kill' the problem with a few nice mushroom clouds.....
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Hachiroku ハチロク - 03 Feb 2008 02:52 GMT >>>> We are all in quest of true happiness. In this world, the idea of >>>> true/perfect happiness is not feasible because this world is [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > We could 'kill' the problem with a few nice mushroom clouds..... Gee, Scott, you keep talking like that, people might think you mean it! ;)
JoeSpareBedroom - 03 Feb 2008 08:47 GMT >>>>> We are all in quest of true happiness. In this world, the idea of >>>>> true/perfect happiness is not feasible because this world is [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Gee, Scott, you keep talking like that, people might think you mean it! > ;) He *does* mean it. There are quite a few people like Sot, which is why we have safeguards in place to prevent the insane from using a nuclear weapon.
Scott in Florida - 03 Feb 2008 18:00 GMT >>>>>> We are all in quest of true happiness. In this world, the idea of >>>>>> true/perfect happiness is not feasible because this world is [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >He *does* mean it. There are quite a few people like Sot, which is why we >have safeguards in place to prevent the insane from using a nuclear weapon. Using nukes on those rag heads is the most sane thing anyone could do.
They will be doing it to us, before long.
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JoeSpareBedroom - 03 Feb 2008 18:08 GMT > On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:47:52 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <dishborealis@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > They will be doing it to us, before long. If that happens, you can blame the last 5 presidents for not only allowing it, but even helping. You will now disagree with this absolutely true statement.
Scott in Florida - 03 Feb 2008 17:59 GMT >>>>> We are all in quest of true happiness. In this world, the idea of >>>>> true/perfect happiness is not feasible because this world is [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Gee, Scott, you keep talking like that, people might think you mean it! ;) Just hand me the 'football'........
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rantonrave@mail.com - 03 Feb 2008 08:56 GMT >We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. > >We could 'kill' the problem with a few nice mushroom clouds..... You sound like someone who's either never had responsibility for nuclear weapons or whose responsibility was withdrawn prematurely.
JoeSpareBedroom - 03 Feb 2008 09:11 GMT >>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >> >>We could 'kill' the problem with a few nice mushroom clouds..... >> > You sound like someone who's either never had responsibility for > nuclear weapons or whose responsibility was withdrawn prematurely. Sot and other boys like him get a tingle in their panties when they mention or see pictures of nuclear weapons. In restaurants, he gets fidgety waiting for his food, so his minders give him crayons to keep him busy. He doodles pictures of mushroom clouds and all sorts of military equipment on the placemat.
Retired VIP - 03 Feb 2008 14:35 GMT >>>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >pictures of mushroom clouds and all sorts of military equipment on the >placemat. People like you, with altitudes like your's are the reason why these animals continue kill innocent people. We are at WAR people, it's time we woke up and started fighting this war. Or we can do what JoeEmptyBedroom wants to do, stick our head up our a.ses and pretend that the world is all sweetness and light.
JoeSpareBedroom - 03 Feb 2008 14:43 GMT >>>>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > JoeEmptyBedroom wants to do, stick our head up our a.ses and pretend > that the world is all sweetness and light. What a stupid response you've given. You never saw me say that we were not at war, or that it needed to be fought.
If you disagree, copy & paste the text, typed by me, which supports your claim, and put it in your next response. Be a linguist. Show us the words.
Retired VIP - 03 Feb 2008 20:37 GMT >>>>>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >If you disagree, copy & paste the text, typed by me, which supports your >claim, and put it in your next response. Be a linguist. Show us the words. Copied from above. Sounds to me like you are giving him hell for wanting to fight the war. If not then what do you mean by it?
>Sot and other boys like him get a tingle in their panties when they >>mention [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>pictures of mushroom clouds and all sorts of military equipment on the >>placemat. JoeSpareBedroom - 03 Feb 2008 21:04 GMT >>>>>>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>>pictures of mushroom clouds and all sorts of military equipment on the >>>placemat. Real warriors do not constantly talk about weapons and destruction, as Sot does. What I described above was a perverse, twisted view of the world, as held by Sot.
Again: Real warriors do not constantly talk about weapons and destruction. You can find indirect proof of this in most of the major news sources. They've been discussing it lately, including today.
n5hsr@comcast.net - 03 Feb 2008 14:47 GMT >>>>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > JoeEmptyBedroom wants to do, stick our head up our a.ses and pretend > that the world is all sweetness and light. Amen. I just ignore liberals like old Joe, because I know they're going to probably be the first ones to die in the next attack from the radical Islamists. They still don't get what happened on 9/11. They don't care what happened to the Cole, or the embassies. In their stupid little minds, we're at fault. Probably needs a high colonic to clear out his mind, or at least wash out his brain. . . .
Charles the Curmudgeon
Norm De Plume - 05 Feb 2008 02:24 GMT n5...@comcast.net wrote:
> Amen. I just ignore liberals like old Joe, because I know they're going to > probably be the first ones to die in the next attack from the radical > Islamists. They still don't get what happened on 9/11. They don't care > what happened to the Cole, or the embassies. In their stupid little minds, > we're at fault. Probably needs a high colonic to clear out his mind, or at > least wash out his brain. . . . Where did you fight, oh Great Warrior?
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 05 Feb 2008 15:25 GMT > n5...@comcast.net wrote: > > Amen. I just ignore liberals like old Joe, because I know they're going to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Where did you fight, oh Great Warrior? He's a lean, mean PC gamer with lightening fast thumbs.
Scott in Florida - 03 Feb 2008 18:10 GMT >>>>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >JoeEmptyBedroom wants to do, stick our head up our a.ses and pretend >that the world is all sweetness and light. Joey hasn't a clue....
Never has..
Never will....
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JoeSpareBedroom - 03 Feb 2008 18:12 GMT >>>>>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Never will.... If your nuke idea is such a good one, why didn't your president or his father use nuclear weapons in the Middle East?
Scott in Florida - 03 Feb 2008 18:17 GMT >>>>>>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >If your nuke idea is such a good one, why didn't your president or his >father use nuclear weapons in the Middle East? You can be sure they will be used when your buddies nuke us....
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clifto - 03 Feb 2008 18:22 GMT >>If your nuke idea is such a good one, why didn't your president or his >>father use nuclear weapons in the Middle East? > > You can be sure they will be used when your buddies nuke us.... More's the pity, they won't.
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JoeSpareBedroom - 03 Feb 2008 18:31 GMT > On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:12:52 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" > <dishborealis@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > You can be sure they will be used when your buddies nuke us.... Where do you think we are most likely to use nuclear weapons against the enemy?
Rodan - 03 Feb 2008 23:48 GMT Where do you think we are most likely to use nuclear weapons against the enemy? ____________________________________________
I recommend evacuating, then vaporizing, Mecca.
This would involve no loss of life, and it would show the fanatic Islamists that it's just an old town, not a shrine for their bloodthirsty inhuman cult.
Rodan.
Scott in Florida - 03 Feb 2008 23:58 GMT >Where do you think we are most likely to use nuclear >weapons against the enemy? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Rodan. Sounds like a good starting point.
Where is that 'football'?
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JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Feb 2008 00:32 GMT > Where do you think we are most likely to use nuclear > weapons against the enemy? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rodan. Equal time. Gotta melt Bethlehem too. Let's not forget the Vatican, and Palmyra NY.
Norm De Plume - 05 Feb 2008 02:36 GMT > Where do you think we are most likely to use nuclear > weapons against the enemy? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the fanatic Islamists that it's just an old town, not > a shrine for their bloodthirsty inhuman cult. How will you get Muslims to evacuate Mecca with no loss of life?
Rodan - 05 Feb 2008 03:12 GMT Where do you think we are most likely to use nuclear weapons against the enemy? I recommend evacuating, then vaporizing, Mecca. This would involve no loss of life, and it would show the fanatic Islamists that it's just an old town, not a shrine for their bloodthirsty inhuman cult. How will you get Muslims to evacuate Mecca with no loss of life?
Who cares?" Youtube: The trouble with Islam
Norm De Plume - 05 Feb 2008 03:16 GMT > I recommend evacuating, then vaporizing, Mecca. > This would involve no loss of life, and it would [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Who cares?" If you didn't care, then why did you recommend evacuating Mecca before destroying it?
Hachiroku - 04 Feb 2008 10:26 GMT >>>>>>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > If your nuke idea is such a good one, why didn't your president or his > father use nuclear weapons in the Middle East? See my latest post...
Norm De Plume - 05 Feb 2008 02:14 GMT > >>>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > People like you, with altitudes like your's are the reason why these > animals continue kill innocent people. They didn't kill many people until March 18, 2003. Why?
> We are at WAR people, it's time we woke up and started fighting > this war. Or we can do what JoeEmptyBedroom wants to do, stick > our head up our a.ses and pretend that the world is all sweetness > and light. And some other epeople thought the war was going to be all sweetness and light and open arms and flowers. They still have their heads up there, proudly, it seems.
Scott in Florida - 03 Feb 2008 18:01 GMT >>We haven't done a good nuclear test in a long time. >> >>We could 'kill' the problem with a few nice mushroom clouds..... >> >You sound like someone who's either never had responsibility for >nuclear weapons or whose responsibility was withdrawn prematurely. responsibility was never withdrawn.....
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Hachiroku ハチロク - 03 Feb 2008 02:51 GMT >>> We are all in quest of true happiness. In this world, the idea of >>> true/perfect happiness is not feasible because this world is inevitably [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > about how peaceful Islam is and then seeing them kill kids and women. The > world would be a much better place without Islam! Man, you should listen to the BBC!!! They have whole series on how peaceloving the Muslims are, and then report how they tried to bomb the debut of the last Harry Potter book (the attempt was thwarted ahead of time, but the bookstore also remained closed...)
Nice. Make sure your bombs go off where kids are. @$$holes...
BTW, the next Muslim @$$kissing series about Muslims begins Feb 6th,I think. BBC World Service or worldservice.bbc.com, IIRC.
JoeSpareBedroom - 03 Feb 2008 08:56 GMT > Man, you should listen to the BBC!!! They have whole series on how > peaceloving the Muslims are, and then report how they tried to bomb the > debut of the last Harry Potter book (the attempt was thwarted ahead of > time, but the bookstore also remained closed...) I've heard that black people in America are peace loving, but obviously, that's a lie, because look at what this guy did:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/02/store.shooting/index.html
Obviously, black people like to shoot up department stores. It's what they do. Generally.
I'm learning a lot from you, daddy.
Retired VIP - 03 Feb 2008 14:36 GMT >> Man, you should listen to the BBC!!! They have whole series on how >> peaceloving the Muslims are, and then report how they tried to bomb the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >I'm learning a lot from you, daddy. Who said anything about black people?
JoeSpareBedroom - 03 Feb 2008 14:44 GMT >>> Man, you should listen to the BBC!!! They have whole series on how >>> peaceloving the Muslims are, and then report how they tried to bomb the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Who said anything about black people? WHOOSH! Go get more coffee. Come back later.
badgolferman - 03 Feb 2008 22:09 GMT > > Man, you should listen to the BBC!!! They have whole series on how > > peaceloving the Muslims are, and then report how they tried to bomb [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I'm learning a lot from you, daddy. Why don't you whip up a study of what race of people commit the most violent crimes per capita? You like that kind of stuff and maybe we'll learn something from you.
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JoeSpareBedroom - 03 Feb 2008 22:14 GMT >> > Man, you should listen to the BBC!!! They have whole series on how >> > peaceloving the Muslims are, and then report how they tried to bomb [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > violent crimes per capita? You like that kind of stuff and maybe we'll > learn something from you. WHOOOOOOOOOSH!
badgolferman - 04 Feb 2008 03:52 GMT > WHOOOOOOOOOSH! SPLATTTT!
Hachiroku - 04 Feb 2008 10:24 GMT >> Obviously, black people like to shoot up department stores. It's what >> they do. Generally. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > violent crimes per capita? You like that kind of stuff and maybe we'll > learn something from you. Nah. Ever single day on the BBC World Service there is another report of a suicide bombing somewhere in the world done by Muslims, usually aimed in areas where there are plenty of children.
Good enough for me...
Hachiroku - 04 Feb 2008 10:24 GMT >> > Man, you should listen to the BBC!!! They have whole series on how >> > peaceloving the Muslims are, and then report how they tried to bomb [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > violent crimes per capita? You like that kind of stuff and maybe we'll > learn something from you. Sorry BGM..that response was meant for JSB...
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Feb 2008 13:04 GMT >>> > Man, you should listen to the BBC!!! They have whole series on how >>> > peaceloving the Muslims are, and then report how they tried to bomb [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Sorry BGM..that response was meant for JSB... Based on a very small sample, we can see that Catholics like to molest children: http://www.wisn.com/news/15193608/detail.html
* - 04 Feb 2008 15:31 GMT JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>...
> Based on a very small sample, we can see that Catholics like to molest > children: > http://www.wisn.com/news/15193608/detail.html .....the difference being, of course, that the Catholic populace is doing everything it can to purge their religion of these child molesters and bring them to justice...... .......while the Muslim populace simply sits back and prays five times per day.....pretending that the radicals are not creating a bad image for their religion.
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Feb 2008 15:35 GMT > JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article > <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > everything it can to purge their religion of these child molesters and > bring them to justice...... They won't succeed as long as their clergy are required to be celibate.
> .......while the Muslim populace simply sits back and prays five times per > day.....pretending that the radicals are not creating a bad image for > their > religion. You should try speaking to some Muslims. You might also benefit from exposure to grownup news sources.
Retired VIP - 04 Feb 2008 15:53 GMT >> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article >> <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>... > >They won't succeed as long as their clergy are required to be celibate. So in your opinion mankind is nothing more than animals, incapable of controlling their actions. Notice that I didn't say feelings, I said actions.
>> .......while the Muslim populace simply sits back and prays five times per >> day.....pretending that the radicals are not creating a bad image for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You should try speaking to some Muslims. You might also benefit from >exposure to grownup news sources. Where do you live Joe----? Do you live in the USA or Iran? If you live in some western country, why don't you leave and work toward the conquest of your hero pedophile (Mohammad married a 6 year old girl).
Jack
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Feb 2008 16:15 GMT >>> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article >>> <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jack Several grownup news sources have featured interviews with "regular people" in Baghdad, who've expressed disgust with the behavior of some of their countrymen. What would you suggest these people do? Patrol the streets and end up dead a day later?
Wait...here's an analogy: Every time a child is shot on the street here, the TV news interviews crying neighbors and family members who are outraged at the behavior of some in their part of the city. Sometimes they interview a minister, who condemns the crime. Then, everyone goes home and it happens again two weeks later.
Hachiroku - 05 Feb 2008 01:26 GMT >>>> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article >>>> <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > their countrymen. What would you suggest these people do? Patrol the > streets and end up dead a day later? The 'regular people' outnumber the k00ks by a wide margin. Yeah, that would be a good idea!
> Wait...here's an analogy: Every time a child is shot on the street here, > the TV news interviews crying neighbors and family members who are > outraged at the behavior of some in their part of the city. Sometimes > they interview a minister, who condemns the crime. Then, everyone goes > home and it happens again two weeks later. Suicide bombings happen every day.
JoeSpareBedroom - 05 Feb 2008 02:01 GMT >>>>> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article >>>>> <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > The 'regular people' outnumber the k00ks by a wide margin. Yeah, that > would be a good idea! Using what? The one gun and limited ammo we allow each Iraqi citizen to own? Up against militants much better armed?
>> Wait...here's an analogy: Every time a child is shot on the street here, >> the TV news interviews crying neighbors and family members who are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Suicide bombings happen every day. Get used to it. This is what happens when you invade another country. If America was invaded, you see some really strange sh.t happening as we dealt with the enemy.
Hachiroku - 05 Feb 2008 03:38 GMT >>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article >>>>>> <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > America was invaded, you see some really strange sh.t happening as we > dealt with the enemy. Answer to both comments: Iraq is not the only country with suicide bombings. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, African nations; there are at least two suicide bombings every day. Sometimes three or four.
America was invaded: Sept 11, 01.
JoeSpareBedroom - 05 Feb 2008 03:43 GMT >>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article >>>>>>> <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > bombings. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, African nations; there are at > least two suicide bombings every day. Sometimes three or four. What's your solution? I think I know the answer, but it's fun to hear solutions from someone who never has been and never could be a warrior.
> America was invaded: Sept 11, 01. Where is the invading force? You knew what I meant. Save your bullshit for your family. They have no choice but to put up with it.
Hachiroku - 06 Feb 2008 04:22 GMT >>>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article >>>>>>>> <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > What's your solution? I think I know the answer, but it's fun to hear > solutions from someone who never has been and never could be a warrior. Not all strategists are warriors.
>> America was invaded: Sept 11, 01. > > Where is the invading force? You knew what I meant. Save your bullshit for > your family. They have no choice but to put up with it. You don't think America was invaded? What the hell do YOU think happened at the WTC?
JoeSpareBedroom - 06 Feb 2008 07:03 GMT >>>>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article >>>>>>>>> <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > You don't think America was invaded? What the hell do YOU think happened > at the WTC? Ask 50 soldiers and let me know what they think. So far, no soldier in this newsgroup agrees with your definition.
Hachiroku - 08 Feb 2008 03:11 GMT >>> Where is the invading force? You knew what I meant. Save your bullshit >>> for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Ask 50 soldiers and let me know what they think. So far, no soldier in > this newsgroup agrees with your definition. I guess the Japanese didn't invade Pearl Harbor, either...
Scott Dorsey - 08 Feb 2008 14:02 GMT >>>> Where is the invading force? You knew what I meant. Save your bullshit >>>> for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I guess the Japanese didn't invade Pearl Harbor, either... They did not, no. They attacked it by air, then went home rather than leaving an invasion force in place.
The Japanese did print up occupational currency for the day when they would actually invade Hawaii, though. Thankfully it never happened. --scott
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Hachiroku - 08 Feb 2008 22:33 GMT >>I guess the Japanese didn't invade Pearl Harbor, either... > > They did not, no. They attacked it by air, then went home rather than > leaving an invasion force in place. (Yeah, I know...I just like jabbing JSB w/a sharp stick at every opportunity. So does he...)
Scott in Florida - 09 Feb 2008 00:23 GMT >>>I guess the Japanese didn't invade Pearl Harbor, either... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >(Yeah, I know...I just like jabbing JSB w/a sharp stick at every >opportunity. So does he...) Joey is sooooooooooooo easy.......
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n5hsr@comcast.net - 05 Feb 2008 03:30 GMT >>> JoeSpareBedroom <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in article >>> <q3Epj.3395$7d1.2388@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jack I think we determined at one time that Joe lived in the State of New Jerk. And I don't understand how he sees to do his stockboy job, with his head firmly up his a$$.
Charles the Curmdgeon.
n5hsr@comcast.net - 03 Feb 2008 14:44 GMT > On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:22:54 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@AE86.gts> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > talk about how peaceful Islam is and then seeing them kill kids and > women. The world would be a much better place without Islam! I learned the hard way in 1982. The only good radical Muslim is one that has assumed room temperature and buried with 72 pig carcases. They were infiltrating our country even back then.
Charles the Curmudgeon
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