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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / February 2008Frigging shipping sux!!! How can I get my parts to Canada?
*sigh* I need a heated drivers side power mirror for my 1993 Mazda 626. I can find several online for < $30.00 *BUT* nobody will ship to Canada!!! The dealers here want $300.00 for the same mirror. Eg. Here's one for $14.00 + shipping: http://www2.partstrain.com/store/?uts=true&Ntt=MA18EL So, can anyone suggest how I can get one of these without being raped by UPS or Fedex, or even find a company (or someone willing to reship UPSP to me) that will ship to Canada? > *sigh* > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > or Fedex, or even find a company (or someone willing to reship UPSP to me) > that will ship to Canada? how close do you live to the border? I live in Winnipeg, which is an hour from the border. I have a parcel service in North Dakota that charges $2 per box. I drive down, get my stuff, clear it through customs, and save a bundle on shipping. Sometimes, that's the only way to get stuff (as you've noticed) because some places won't ship outside the US. Ray >> Eg. Here's one for $14.00 + shipping: >> http://www2.partstrain.com/store/?uts=true&Ntt=MA18EL >> >> So, can anyone suggest how I can get one of these without being raped by >> UPS or Fedex, or even find a company (or someone willing to reship UPSP >> to me) that will ship to Canada? > how close do you live to the border? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that's the only way to get stuff (as you've noticed) because some places > won't ship outside the US. Calgary... Not quite close enough. Last year I ended up spending a week down in Idaho on vacation just so I could pick up 5 motor mounts, and AC hose and some R134... The money I saved paid for more than half of my vacation!!!! What mail/shipment items are duty- and/or tax-free to canada? You don't have to pay duties and taxes if your mail item is: * a gift worth $60 or less; or * worth $20 or less. I don't know about the jail term for those who lie on the customs declaration. If it isn't too long then just get the guy to send it by mail and mark it as a gift. I can get that married Irish woman (married to that Irish guy, www.fethard.com) wayyyyy over yonder across the big pond to send me stuff much easier, and much better, than anybody in Canada. cuhulin > *sigh* > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > by UPS or Fedex, or even find a company (or someone willing to reship > UPSP to me) that will ship to Canada? Oh, you want aftermarket body parts. Yuck. If you're looking for a complete assembly, I'd make sure that $14 actually includes the glass, wiring, etc. $14 seems a bit of a ways down from $300 for supposedly the same thing, doesn't it? Try www.crosscanadaparts.com . That's where bodyshops get a lot of their aftermarket parts.  SignatureTegger >> *sigh* >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> by UPS or Fedex, or even find a company (or someone willing to reship >> UPSP to me) that will ship to Canada? > Oh, you want aftermarket body parts. Yuck. > > If you're looking for a complete assembly, I'd make sure that $14 actually > includes the glass, wiring, etc. $14 seems a bit of a ways down from $300 > for supposedly the same thing, doesn't it? Definately sounds too good to be true, but I've searched that same part number on other sites and come up with a complete assembly >$30... up to $80ish. > Try www.crosscanadaparts.com . That's where bodyshops get a lot of their > aftermarket parts. I'll take a look. Thanks! > *sigh* What are the legal issues here, Calab.. I would be happy to expedite this sort of thing as a favor to you, but I would have to get it, ship by US Postal Service, etc. Could you clear customs with it that way? NAFTA appears to have availed us little. > NAFTA appears to have availed us little. NAFTA is managed trade. Managed for insiders who have government beuracrats in their pockets. Real free trade would help the regular people too much to ever be allowed. >> NAFTA appears to have availed us little. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'd put that another way: Real free trade would upset too many apple carts, just as NAFTA did when it was phased in. There are too many industries and companies which are protected (with great enthusiasm from government and with your money) from the rigors of efficiency and productivity, and too many PACs that lobby for them. There are too many employees (read: votes) who are scared of efficiency and productivity, and are easily whipped up into a frenzy against getting richer. SignatureTegger >> *sigh* > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Could you clear customs with it that way? USPS shipping to Canada goes through the government's Canada Customs. Their output is all over the map. You might get it cleared in a week, or in a month. The very best thing is FedEx Express. It's expensive, but they do their own Customs and stuff is through there in minutes. And it's delivered to your door, which Canada Post won't do with parcels that won't easily fit in a mailbox. FedEx Ground is a lot cheaper, but you have to handle your own Customs. > NAFTA appears to have availed us little. It's availed us a heck of a lot. As a business, we've saved a lot of money on duty, which has enabled us to be more competitive in our market. We buy lots of stuff from the US, things that are simply unavailable in Canada at any price. SignatureTegger "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > It's availed us a heck of a lot. As a business, we've saved a lot of money > on duty, which has enabled us to be more competitive in our market. We buy > lots of stuff from the US, things that are simply unavailable in Canada at > any price. It covers more than one border, Teg.. We have done a lot of business into Mexico. We are harassed by customs clearance problems, delays, attempts at "morditas",and a lot of other things that freight coming this way does not suffer. We even get held up on sample shipment, which should not be a problem at all. We dont ship anything to Canada, at this point. > "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message >> It's availed us a heck of a lot. As a business, we've saved a lot of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "morditas",and > a lot of other things that freight coming this way does not suffer. That's not part of NAFTA, that's part of attempts to thwart NAFTA. NAFTA was supposed to get rid of border problems, not make new ones. > We even get held up on sample shipment, which should not be a problem > at all. Even when you use FedEx? SignatureTegger "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > That's not part of NAFTA, that's part of attempts to thwart NAFTA. > > NAFTA was supposed to get rid of border problems, not make new ones. ******************** Yes, I know.. The Mexican government has not, IMO, acted in good faith on this. They see it, I guess, as a one way street. They even like their citizens to come here without documentation, work, and send money back to Mexico. But let me assure you, it doesnt work the other way. Dont know if if Canada is functioning similarly. ******************** >> We even get held up on sample shipment, which should not be a problem >> at all. > > Even when you use FedEx? *************** Yes, the samples still have to clear customs in Mexico, and sometimes they are disallowed, or require a lot of money for clearance...These things of nonhazardous nature should have been easy to deal with. Samples coming from Mexico to the USA are different. They are cleared quickly and easily. >Yes, I know.. The Mexican government has not, IMO, acted in good faith >on this. They see it, I guess, as a one way street. They even like their >citizens >to come here without documentation, work, and send money back to Mexico. >But let me assure you, it doesnt work the other way. Dont know if if Canada >is functioning similarly. Part of the issue is that the Mexican government is almost totally bankrupt and the central government has in fact very little control in some places. Just because the guys in Mexico City say not to collect a duty does not mean the folks hundreds of miles away on the border are going to pay attention to it. And, in fact, the Mexican government DOES like it for folks from the US to move to Mexico, especially if they bring money with them. While the US economy is in pretty sad shape, it's a lot worse in Mexico right now. A lot of the immigration problems we are seeing in the US are the result of people in Mexico having no other alternative to make a living. Fixing the Mexican economy is going to have to happen before we can deal with the immigration issues in the US, I am sorry to report. Free trade is one of the things that in the long run ought to help it. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." "Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message news:foa0c5 > And, in fact, the Mexican government DOES like it for folks from the US to > move to Mexico, especially if they bring money with them. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is one of the things that in the long run ought to help it. > --scott Yes, I know, Scott..it is fairly easy for an American to retire in Mexico. My wife and I are considering a summer place in the mountains where we can avoid a few months per year of Texas heat. It can be a bit complicated to do anything in Mexico if a government company is involved, even if you are not being paid. I went in on a business visa once to look at some offshore activities for Pemex, without charge, but was refused at the last moment. They decided they wanted me to have an FM3 - which is no problem if given the time to implement it. The Mexican economy hasnt, IMO, changed materially in years. Large companies, often family owned, may make a lot of money. The undereducated working class does not. Bribery, a modus operandi since the Aztecs were supreme, will probably never diminish very much..(Popular here in the USA too, I guess ;>) > The Mexican economy hasnt, IMO, changed materially in years. Large > companies, > often family owned, may make a lot of money. The undereducated > working class > does not. Mexico has onerous and Byzantine rules for starting a company. They have extremely restrictive labor laws that make it expensive to hire and fire. It takes many months and thousands of dollars in fees and permits (official /and/ unofficial) to start a company. You can't simply secure a loan, lease space and start buying machinery and selling to people. You can't just go to a government office, fill out a one-page form, pay $50 and hang out your shingle. It is virtually impossible for a small-time entrepreneur to do anything at all in Mexico for these reasons. Large enterprises (automakers, for instance) and rich individuals have political connections and can bypass these rules more easily. Mexico's government is why there are no jobs down there. Mexico has been a mess since Spanish times. There is (or was until very recently) a tax law in Mexico that basically assumed that the owners had been cheating on their (very high) taxes all along. When a company was sold, a crushing tax levy was imposed on the seller upon transfer of assets to the new owners. This law did not apply to /family/ transfers. This is the reason there are so many family-owned businesses. > Bribery, a modus operandi since the Aztecs were supreme, > will probably > never diminish very much..(Popular here in the USA too, I guess ;>) It was reported in either Forbes or Reason magazines a few years ago that a study revealed that about 50% of Mexico City's policemen had "lost" or pawned their sidearms. Imagine that happening here. SignatureTegger > It is virtually impossible for a small-time entrepreneur to do anything at > all in Mexico for these reasons. Large enterprises (automakers, for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Mexico's government is why there are no jobs down there. Mexico has been a > mess since Spanish times. Exactly. However those conditions are becoming exactly what we have here in the USA. The connected use the government to pass laws and create regulations that simply kill of their competition. The animal ID act is current example. Have you ever been to Mexico before? I have.In June of 1992 or 1993, I did five days on my two weeks vacation in Mexico.I went to Matamores, Reynosa, Saltillo, Monterey, Nueva Laredo and some other Mexican towns.Talk about third World, Sheesh! cuhulin > Have you ever been to Mexico before? I have.In June of 1992 or 1993, I > did five days on my two weeks vacation in Mexico.I went to Matamores, > Reynosa, Saltillo, Monterey, Nueva Laredo and some other Mexican > towns.Talk about third World, Sheesh! > cuhulin Yep, I lived there and went to the University (UNAM) in the 60's. Since, I have worked a lot on the east coast and around the DF. You think that is third world...Romania opened my eyes. > Have you ever been to Mexico before? I have.In June of 1992 or 1993, I > did five days on my two weeks vacation in Mexico.I went to Matamores, > Reynosa, Saltillo, Monterey, Nueva Laredo and some other Mexican > towns.Talk about third World, Sheesh! > cuhulin Cozumel is pretty nice. Good close, inexpensive, warm SCUBA destination. A few months ago, I read on the net,,, some Mexicans in Mexico are holding up and robbing some American people in Mexico.Try Vietnam in 1964 for third World.I was there. www.114thaviationcompany.com www.tsna.org www.angelfire.com/md2/Ldotvets cuhulin >"HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >That's not part of NAFTA, that's part of attempts to thwart NAFTA. >NAFTA was supposed to get rid of border problems, not make new ones. This is true. I will make a small comment: if you are trying to get stuff over either border, DO NOT USE UPS. Believe it or not, for small parts, it is usually much faster and easier to use USPS. Items are sometimes held up in customs for inspection, but they are usually handled well. Shipping UPS, you are apt to find yourself with spurious fees tacked on, and substantial delays. I have friends in Canada who have ordered manufacturers' samples of electronics parts, and had $50 customs fees tacked on a free sample of a $5 part. UPS not only charges you what the Customs folks do, but they also charge you their fees to carry stuff through customs. FedEx Express is good, but expensive for shipping. FedEx Ground is not so bad but if there is an issue clearing customs you will find yourself on the phone trying to straighten it out; the shipper will not do the work for you the way USPS and FedEx Express will. Danzas seems to be okay if you need to ship heavy stuff; I often ship 35mm film prints to and from Canada and they are good about it. Note that many things are completely exempt from customs duties. These include some odd categories of items, including tape recorders and tape recorder parts. It is good to find out what these categories are in the event what you are shipping falls into one of them. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >> "HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in >>> It covers more than one border, Teg.. We have done a lot of business [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > the event what you are shipping falls into one of them. > --scott FWIW, all you need to do to avoid UPS's insane brokerage fees is refuse delivery and/or have the item held at the depot. (I believe you can do it ahead of time if you have the tracking #.) then, go to UPS, get the paperwork. Go to Canada Customs, clear the item yourself, go back to ups and get your item. It's sometimes more work than it saves, but usually it's worth it. Ray I have been thinking about sendering her the money for a certain kind of a hand held scanner radio.I am scared to try that though. cuhulin >I have been thinking about sendering her the money for a certain kind of > a hand held scanner radio.I am scared to try that though. > cuhulin From where to where, Cuhulin? >FWIW, all you need to do to avoid UPS's insane brokerage fees is refuse >delivery and/or have the item held at the depot. (I believe you can do [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >item yourself, go back to ups and get your item. It's sometimes more >work than it saves, but usually it's worth it. Sheesh, if I have to fly 500 miles to the border crossing in order to clear the damn item, I might as well just fly 800 miles to the final destination and hand-carry it. Having to hand-clear items is NOT acceptable. The reason we use shipping companies is to avoid having to go halfway across the country in the first place. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >> FWIW, all you need to do to avoid UPS's insane brokerage fees is refuse >> delivery and/or have the item held at the depot. (I believe you can do [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > in the first place. > --scott I live 300km round trip from my parcel service in North Dakota. Some companies, such as Summit, charge $9 or less for shipping anywhere in the states. Multiply that by 5 for shipping across the border. Then add UPS's brokerage fees of 10%. Now, imagine a $2000 race car parts order that still ships for $9 to ND or $350 to ship to Winnipeg. Some places won't even ship out of the states, so going there is your only option unless you want to hire a broker for that $6 ebay find. Obviously I don't go on a whim, I usually batch order stuff. Ray . > Note that many things are completely exempt from customs duties. > These include some odd categories of items, including tape recorders > and tape recorder parts. It is good to find out what these categories > are in the event what you are shipping falls into one of them. For the most part, anything made entirely within North America is exempt from duties. The complication comes when you have stuff partially or wholly made outside North America. At that point it's often just like it was before NAFTA. Car parts and computer parts are exempt regardless. You MUST have the NAFTA cross-border documents in an envelope conspicuously stuck to the package or pallet. If those are missing, the shipment will get held up, and somebody may or may not call you. There are forms available for you to fill out, either by hand or online. Also, if I'm shipping samples of something, I find it helpful to put the value as $1. Low value seems to ensure not too much attention is paid to the shipment. SignatureTegger "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > For the most part, anything made entirely within North America is exempt > from duties. The complication comes when you have stuff partially or > wholly [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > value as $1. Low value seems to ensure not too much attention is paid to > the shipment. > Tegger We find that the loads usually get through but after a wait, and with some considerable extra expense. In one case, we lost a contract because the needed shipment was held up long enough to prevent it arriving in time. Whether this was a justifiable situation (possible) or whether influential competitors helped slow the shipment (also quite possible) is now history. |
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