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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / February 2008

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Should I replace all my ignition coils?

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nospam.auto@none.com - 12 Feb 2008 02:05 GMT
I have a 99 Maxima. About a year ago a coil failed, and the repair
shop replaced it with an aftermarket coil. It was #2, and the problem
went away.

Few weeks ago all of a sudden I am getting the exact sympton again,
engine knocks and vibrates somewhat and lack of power during
acceleration. The code said it is #4 coil.

I went to the Nissan Dealer and got a coil and replaced it myself. It
cost me $110 and the problem was fixed. Both #2 and #4 are in the
front.

My car now has 2 new coils and 4 old coils. Should I just buy 4 more
coil and replace all of them? It is kind of expensive, all 4 would
cost me $500. (The #1/3/5 costs $117).

I am thinking I should do that rather than waiting for the remaining
ones to fail and then replace it, since the Maxima is known for its
defective coils. But $500 is not cheap, and if the remaining ones are
good, it seems money wasted.

Are there places where I can buy Nissan coils at a cheaper price? Do
aftermarket coils works as well? Local pepboy said they have it for
$86.

Raymond
lugnut - 12 Feb 2008 03:12 GMT
>I have a 99 Maxima. About a year ago a coil failed, and the repair
>shop replaced it with an aftermarket coil. It was #2, and the problem
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>
>Raymond

What you are asking is a judgment call.  For the most part,
things like ignition coils are either good or bad and do not
have a predictable life.  OTH, the Nissans of that vintage
that we have in the family seem to have a habit of losing
coils one-by-one after about 100K.  The Nissan certified
tech in the family says he prefers the Nissan coils for
replacement in the shop but, he has no evidence that the
aftermarket coils are inferior if a name brand is used.  The
big things seems to be that the originals were not up to
Nissan par and most of the better brand aftermarket and the
OEM Nissan replacements are better than the originals.  If I
were only losing one a year, I would be tempted to just lay
a spare on the shelf for replacement as required; but then,
I hate throwing out perfectly good expensive parts.  OTH, if
it were my wife's car, I would never hear the end of it if
it had a third failure of the same thing and I hadn't traded
the car if necessary to fix it.

Lugnut
Steve B. - 14 Feb 2008 00:28 GMT
>I am thinking I should do that rather than waiting for the remaining
>ones to fail and then replace it, since the Maxima is known for its
>defective coils. But $500 is not cheap, and if the remaining ones are
>good, it seems money wasted.

I would just buy one and put in the spare tire well with whatever tool
you need to change it.  If another one fails just pull off at a
convenient spot and change it..

'Course if you have a non mechanical person regularly driving the car
it might be better to just replace them.

           Steve B.
John S. - 12 Feb 2008 12:52 GMT
On Feb 11, 9:05 pm, nospam.a...@none.com wrote:
> I have a 99 Maxima. About a year ago a coil failed, and the repair
> shop replaced it with an aftermarket coil. It was #2, and the problem
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Raymond

If it's the car you drive around  town and you can live with a little
unncertainty then just wait for the rest to fail.  OTOH if it is a
family member's car and that person happens to be female I would
replace them all now.  The  price difference between Pep Boys and the
dealer is not all that great.  I would use the factory parts.
The Pre-Meltdown Kid - 13 Feb 2008 04:40 GMT
On Feb 11, 9:05 pm, nospam.a...@none.com wrote:
> I have a 99 Maxima. About a year ago a coil failed, and the repair
> shop replaced it with an aftermarket coil. It was #2, and the problem
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Raymond

If it's the car you drive around  town and you can live with a little
unncertainty then just wait for the rest to fail.  OTOH if it is a
family member's car and that person happens to be female I would
replace them all now.  The  price difference between Pep Boys and the
dealer is not all that great.  I would use the factory parts.

=======================================

The prices are still astounding.  $100 for a fuknCoil????
I remember getting AC Delco Coils for $7.50 at KMart.

Well, sheeit, headlights for Maxima's became, what, $2,400/pair  ?????

Butt another ass-f.cking of the Great American Pubic.
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AZ Nomad - 13 Feb 2008 12:56 GMT
>The prices are still astounding.  $100 for a fuknCoil????
>I remember getting AC Delco Coils for $7.50 at KMart.

>Well, sheeit, headlights for Maxima's became, what, $2,400/pair  ?????

>Butt another ass-f.cking of the Great American Pubic.

Yeah.  I really want to go 70's technology.  Give me $7.5 kmart ingnition coils
that develope intermittants when you run over bumps.  Watch out for the hill as
the engine is cutting in and out.  I haven't had the joy of kmart parts in
years. Let's bring back cars that only last 50-60K miles.  f.ck all those
electronics.  I want the joy of having to service the engine every 15K miles.  I
really miss those rainy days on the side of the road sanding the crud
off the points.
The Pre-Meltdown Kid - 13 Feb 2008 13:25 GMT
>>The prices are still astounding.  $100 for a fuknCoil????
>>I remember getting AC Delco Coils for $7.50 at KMart.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> really miss those rainy days on the side of the road sanding the crud
> off the points.

Yeah, but with dat $7.50 Kmart AC Delco coil (just *one*, btw), points, and
a carb, I was getting 40 and 45 mpg on my Datsun 510 and B210.  With
150/200K.

With sealed beams that cost $5.

With pretty much anything I could fix *myself*, short of a fried crankshaft,
pistons, valves, or tranny.

With a PentiumXX chip, yer gettin HOW MANY mpgs??????
Which will cost HOW MUCH when it fries?
Which can now be shut off *remotely* anytime an a.shole feels like shutting
it off???

What did those $2,400 headlights tell you about CorPirate Merka's
*intentions* with the sanctity/integrity of your a.s??
Two-thousand-four-hundred fukn dollars for two lite bulbs, reflectors, and
clear plastic.

Ten sets of headlights, and you've have the $$ equiv of a brand new effing
car!!!!!!!

No thanks.
I'll change points, and sputter up a hill once in a while, and read a g-d
MAP.

And there wasn't any sputtering, either.

Hey, electronics are great.
Just keep the jagged circuit boards out of my rectum.
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cuhulin@webtv.net - 13 Feb 2008 23:03 GMT
Twice each month, round trip to the food store, three miles.Once every
two months to a discount tobacco store, round trip, ten miles.Once every
three months to the veterinary supply store for a big bag of dog food,
round trip, thirteen miles.Ths week I need to drive to the American
Automobile Insurance Agency office and write a check for $149.00 for the
next six months liability insurancy policy for my 1978 Dodge van, round
trip, eight miles.Once each year on Christmas to visit friends, that
adds up to about thirty miles.

I can buy a new van (I like big vans) or a late model van if I want
to.But no more miles than I drive each year, I don't see how a new or
late model van would benefit me.I guess I really should get out more.      
cuhulin
HLS - 13 Feb 2008 23:54 GMT
> Twice each month, round trip to the food store, three miles.Once every
> two months to a discount tobacco store, round trip, ten miles.Once every
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> late model van would benefit me.I guess I really should get out more.
> cuhulin

With that kind of mileage, keep your old van.  If you need to put a junkyard
engine in it, or swap a tranny, give me a yell, and if Im not too tied up,
I'll come
down and pull a wrench with you.
Steve B. - 14 Feb 2008 00:42 GMT
>Yeah.  I really want to go 70's technology.  Give me $7.5 kmart ingnition coils
>that develope intermittants when you run over bumps.  Watch out for the hill as
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>really miss those rainy days on the side of the road sanding the crud
>off the points.

I still regularly drive my 60s cars thousands of miles per year and
have never once been left stranded on the side of the road.  I know
when the maintenance needs to be done and take care of it in a timely
fashion..  I know what parts are going to fail on me (like the $5
ballast resistor) and change them once a year regardless.  Cars might
have rusted quicker in the good ol' days but with modern lubricants
most 60's engines would run as many miles as most current ones and the
rest of the drive trains would easily outlast the new ones.

Fuel injection is a great thing and without the emissions controls on
the cars now we would probably all be dead from the pollution so the
electronics have some great selling points but the integration and
prices on some of that stuff is just crazy.  Like the voltage
regulator in the computer that goes and you have to replace a several
hundred dollar computer instead of a ten dollar voltage regulator. For
the life of me I can't figure out what the great advantage was to
justify this change or the many others like it.

             Steve B.
John S. - 15 Feb 2008 13:51 GMT
On Feb 12, 11:40 pm, "The Pre-Meltdown Kid"
<entropic3.14de...@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:05 pm, nospam.a...@none.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> The prices are still astounding.  $100 for a fuknCoil????
> I remember getting AC Delco Coils for $7.50 at KMart.

Yes, and at the then minimum wage of $1.35 per hour I'm sure that a
$7.50 coil would have been quite expensive.

> Well, sheeit, headlights for Maxima's became, what, $2,400/pair  ?????

Not on the Maxima's I'm familiar with.

> Butt another ass-f.cking of the Great American Pubic.
> --
The Pre-Meltdown Kid - 15 Feb 2008 15:48 GMT
On Feb 12, 11:40 pm, "The Pre-Meltdown Kid"
<entropic3.14de...@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
> "John S." <hjs...@cs.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> The prices are still astounding. $100 for a fuknCoil????
> I remember getting AC Delco Coils for $7.50 at KMart.

Yes, and at the then minimum wage of $1.35 per hour I'm sure that a
$7.50 coil would have been quite expensive.
=====================================

Ackshooly, closer to $3/hr, iirc.  So double the price to $15..
AND,
Here, you need *six* of them at $100.  What a fukn con job.

> Well, sheeit, headlights for Maxima's became, what, $2,400/pair ?????

Not on the Maxima's I'm familiar with.
========================================

2002 or thereabouts.  Big scandal, as Nissan knew about the remove-ability
of these headlight assemblies, and did nothing to make them theft-proof.

Sheeit, Honda wants over $200 for the Fit car battery, which is little
bigger than a HD motorcycle battery.
Fortunately, Sears has the approx size for relatively cheap, but still about
the same as a full-size truck battery.

Cars are like printers:
Cars are excuses to extort the consumer for parts, printers are excuses to
extort the consumer for ink cartridges.

The mfr's could *give away* cars/printers for free, and do well off the
parts/consumables.

It's all very-well laid out, as your Congress has been bought and paid for
to make sure the Extortion runs smoothly.
No one ever gets caught at the Money Drop.
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Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!

AND,
Make sure whomever you do vote for believes in
ABSOLUTE separation of Church & State--ferchrissakes

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all d'numbuhs

> Butt another ass-f.cking of the Great American Pubic.
> --
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 15 Feb 2008 20:59 GMT
I had exactly the same symptoms on a Saturn once -- Turned out I had
replaced spark plug wires with the wrong ones.  

BTW, single coil for my old Dodge '82 Slant Six was less than $20
about three years ago.

And it ain't just the American public; coils are now that way all the
way around the world...

Pete
 
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