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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2008Speed cameras coming to Calif? Yes, if this bill passes
California Senate Bill 1325 was introduced on Feb. 20 and if it passes will allow SPEED camera tickets - also known as photo radar tickets - to be mailed to you. The bill could also allow stop sign camera tickets. The first hearing on this bill will be this month (March), by the Senate Transportation Committee in Sacramento. To stop SB 1325, phone the state legislators (assembly and senate) representing the districts in which you live, work, or shop. Their numbers are in your phone book's government pages. Also, call the senators who are on the Transportation Committee. For info about SB 1325 and the Committee, go to this free-of-any charge page: http://www.highwayrobbery.net/redlightcamsjoin.htm#Action5 If you are an auto club member, call your club and ask them to oppose SB 1325. The auto club carries a LOT of clout in Sacramento, so if they strongly oppose the bill, it won't pass. Phone numbers for the club's main offices are available at the link, above. In other states, the auto clubs have been among the SUPPORTERS of speed cameras, so I suggest that you make it clear to your California club that your continued insurance business could depend upon their protecting you from speed cams. Speak NOW or forever hold your peace. Now is the time to let your elected representatives, and your auto club, know what you think. Ed. > California Senate Bill 1325 was introduced on Feb. 20 and if it passes > will allow SPEED camera tickets - also known as photo radar tickets - to [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ed. The only thing you need to do so you don't get a ticket mailed to you is drive the speed limit. Same with red light cams, stop and no problem. With the increase in traffic and the speed some people drive, I welcome photo radar!! >>California Senate Bill 1325 was introduced on Feb. 20 and if it passes >>will allow SPEED camera tickets - also known as photo radar tickets - to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > problem. With the increase in traffic and the speed some people drive, > I welcome photo radar!! You do know that most red light cameras are installed at intersections where the yellow interval is too short, don't you? nate  Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel >> The only thing you need to do so you don't get a ticket mailed to you >> is drive the speed limit. Same with red light cams, stop and no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You do know that most red light cameras are installed at intersections > where the yellow interval is too short, don't you? Is there not a standard, consistently-applied time that the amber must be displayed, in order that the red can be legally enforced as a stop signal? There is in the UK: I think it varies according to the speed limit of the road, so a car approaching at the limit will either have time to brake to a halt or else to be well clear of the far side of the lights before they turn red. I remember a case a few year ago where a driver was found not guilty of going through a red light because the amber phase was too short and did not give him time to brake to a stop before the red. We've had speed cameras and traffic light cameras in the UK for about 10 years now. It will be interesting to see how California implements them. Will they be preceded by warning signs to say "speed/light cameras operate here"? Will the cameras be made highly visible by means of a yellow reflective panel on the rear (originally this wasn't done in the UK but is done now)? Will the speed camera carry a reminder of the speed limit to leave people in no doubt (for some weird reason, this is not done in the UK). I find the best deterrent against speeding is signs which light up to display the limit - but only if you are exceeding it. That's an excellent way of reminding drivers. Better to deter than to prosecute. Sadly, traffic light cameras aren't effective against the worst offenders: cyclists who think that red traffic lights simply don't apply to them. There was a case a few weeks ago in the UK where a cyclist was killed when he ignored a red light and was hit by a car. The driver was rightly prosecuted and imprisoned because she was speeding and was concentrating on sending a text message at the time, but people seem to forget that the *cause* of the accident was the cyclist avoiding the lights, not the driver being unable to react in time. > I find the best deterrent against speeding is signs which light up to > display the limit - but only if you are exceeding it. That's an excellent > way of reminding drivers. Better to deter than to prosecute. How can they possibly be a deterrent if there is no penalty? I regard them with a certain amount of amusement, and a useful source of calibration for one's speedo. Other than that, I completely ignore them. Any driver, except possibly the pissed or very inexperienced, knows pretty accurately how fast they're going so these signs are quite pointless. Speed cameras, on the other hand, you have to take seriously. They really are a deterrent because you can be prosecuted. I'm no petrolhead, BTW. I'm 65 and drive a small car which goes from A to B faster than a horse and cart and in which I am not very interested. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. On Mar 6, 10:08 am, "Mortimer" <m...@privacy.net> wrote: > I find the best deterrent against speeding is signs which light up to > display the limit - but only if you are exceeding it. That's an excellent > way of reminding drivers. Better to deter than to prosecute. How can they possibly be a deterrent if there is no penalty? I regard them with a certain amount of amusement, and a useful source of calibration for one's speedo. Other than that, I completely ignore them. Any driver, except possibly the pissed or very inexperienced, knows pretty accurately how fast they're going so these signs are quite pointless. ==== Yes, everyone knows how fast they are going - if they keep looking at the speedometer. The perception of speed varies enormously according to the conditions (width of road, day versus night etc). Speed limits are not applied consistently, and it is very easy on roads with absurdly low limits (I'm sure we can all name some!) to forget what the limit is and instead drive at a speed which feels right for the conditions. Even if you start off at the correct speed as you pass the initial sign, it is very easy to find your speed gradually creeping up again on such absurd-limit roads. Reminders, even ones with no penalties, are very useful. And signs which only light up when you are above the limit are a good way of doing that reminder. For me, they usually make me check my speed and slow down to the limit. Mind you, I'm reasonably conscientious. I'm sure many people will totally ignore anything which doesn't result in a fine. >>>If you are an auto club member, call your club and ask them to oppose SB >>>1325. The auto club carries a LOT of clout in Sacramento, so if they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>that you make it clear to your California club that your continued >>>insurance business could depend upon their protecting you from speed cams. Which auto club? The auto club I belong to is a bunch of guys with old German cars in Virginia. They probably don't carry much clout in Sacramento. >> The only thing you need to do so you don't get a ticket mailed to you >> is drive the speed limit. Same with red light cams, stop and no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You do know that most red light cameras are installed at intersections >where the yellow interval is too short, don't you? Yes, but this is not an argument against red light cameras, this is an argument against sleazy local governments that try and use them as revenue sources instead of for improved safety. If they are installed and set up for safety reasons, they will actually improve safety. If they are installed and set up to make money for the city, they will make money for the city and actually decrease safety. Which one will be the case in your locality? Call your mayor and ask. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >>>If you are an auto club member, call your club and ask them to oppose SB > >>>1325. The auto club carries a LOT of clout in Sacramento, so if they [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Which one will be the case in your locality? Call your mayor and ask. > --scott You already know what the answer is going to be. especially if a private contractor that gets a per-ticket cut is involved. nate > The only thing you need to do so you don't get a ticket mailed to you > is drive the speed limit. Perhaps you're unaware that for a long time radar was illegal in Florida, due to a court case in which plaintiffs showed evidence of clocking a tree and a house at high speeds. Signature"The symbolism of a major American presidential candidate with the middle name of Hussein, who went to elementary school in Indonesia, certainly speaks to Muslims abroad." -- Tamara Cofman Wittes, Brookings senior fellow > California Senate Bill 1325 was introduced on Feb. 20 and if it passes > will allow SPEED camera tickets - also known as photo radar tickets - to > be mailed to you. The bill could also allow stop sign camera tickets. Hrm... Lessee... Maybe you should be speeding the first place??? If you want to canvas for something, how about raising the limit to a "practical" level? I agree, he (and we all) SHOULD be speeding in the first place, because in US, with exception of school zones, areas near playgrounds, and within residential areas, speedlimits are designed for one and only one purpose -- revenue-enhancement. Think about it, California is in dire fiscal condition... the Governator would lose election if he advocated raising taxes (forget shrinking government to save money, government exists solely to increase itself and its control). So, using a too-large police force as armed tax collectors while drug sales are rampant bolsters the economy in a cost-effective manner, every cop that generates a speeding fine rather than an arrest generates positive income for the jurisdiction, rather than the negative cash-flow involved with booking and trying and jailing a real criminal... now you know why there is so much crime in the US and in California and NY in particular. >> California Senate Bill 1325 was introduced on Feb. 20 and if it passes >> will allow SPEED camera tickets - also known as photo radar tickets - to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you want to canvas for something, how about raising the limit to a > "practical" level? There is a website somewhere about those traffic cameras in Britain.Some of those Brits over there are going around burning those cameras and cutting them down.I love it! cuhulin I hate to butt into this thread again so soon.(y'all know I just can't help meself) But, here ya go, www.speedcam.co.uk cuhulin > California Senate Bill 1325 was introduced on Feb. 20 and if it passes > will allow SPEED camera tickets - also known as photo radar tickets - to > be mailed to you. The bill could also allow stop sign camera tickets. If it is done equitably and fairly, I think the speed cameras are a good step toward improved safety. If they are instruments of illegal speed traps, then avoid the town and let them starve to death. >> California Senate Bill 1325 was introduced on Feb. 20 and if it passes >> will allow SPEED camera tickets - also known as photo radar tickets - to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If they are instruments of illegal speed traps, then avoid the town and >let them starve to death. How about this aspect: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080308/ap_on_fe_st/odd_speed_cameras_police&printer=1 Pete >>>California Senate Bill 1325 was introduced on Feb. 20 and if it passes >>>will allow SPEED camera tickets - also known as photo radar tickets - to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Pete Ooh, cops shatter the speed limit. This is not news; I see it every day. yet another reason that speedl imits should be set correctly. nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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