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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2008Ever been in that situation
before? The tire shops get the wheels on there way too tight, and you nearely bust a gut getting them off.I bought a ten foot long heavy pipe at a scrap iron yard.I am going to get out one of my pipe cutters and cut off about a four feet long lenght of that pipe.I will keep the four feet long lenght piece of pipe in my 1978 Dodge van to use for a cheater pipe to use on my 4 way lug wrench, when I need it. cuhulin >before? The tire shops get the wheels on there way too tight, and you >nearely bust a gut getting them off.I bought a ten foot long heavy pipe [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >pipe to use on my 4 way lug wrench, when I need it. >cuhulin I have a two-foot piece of pipe, pounded a little flat on one end so it nicely fits on my socket drivers. I used it to prop up a trailer with a broken spring to get to a place to replace it and it got a little bent. Turned out the bend was exactly right to clear fenders!! Custom tools are great!! Pete On 3/14/08 1:22 PM, in article 24886-47DAC255-393@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net, "cuhulin@webtv.net" > before? The tire shops get the wheels on there way too tight, and you > nearely bust a gut getting them off.I bought a ten foot long heavy pipe [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pipe to use on my 4 way lug wrench, when I need it. > cuhulin Yep. Been there many times. Actually split the socket on the factory lug wrench on one car trying to get a wheel off. I think it was at either a Home Depot or a Payless Cashways about 25 years ago that I found galvanized gas pipe precut in 4 foot lengths. I got two. One went to holding up the mailbox. The other has been used on the end of a 1/2 inch breaker bar many times on many bolts. Makes 100+ lb-ft torqued bolts child's play. As long as they work OK for you, you just beat home made Tools. cuhulin Ya it's the latest sucker play! They hammer the damn things on so tight they warp the rotors so you have to come back for a brake job. They are supposed to use a torque wrench on modern wheels and rotors. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com > before? The tire shops get the wheels on there way too tight, and you > nearely bust a gut getting them off.I bought a ten foot long heavy pipe [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pipe to use on my 4 way lug wrench, when I need it. > cuhulin They ought to be sued for getting them on there too tight.I wish I could weld all of their lug nuts up. cuhulin > They ought to be sued for getting them on there too tight.I wish I could > weld all of their lug nuts up. > cuhulin I agree, it is a blatant rip off. As tire techs we were taught to use torque wrenches on tires way back in the 70's when 'mag' and aluminum rims first came out. The Jeep shops I have used use the air gun to seat them, then finish with a torque wrench, anything else is negligence or a rip off attempt. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off of there! Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops. cuhulin > How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat > tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off > of there! > Yes, I say,,, Sue the tire shops. > cuhulin And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from? >> How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat >> tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from? A shop that doesn't do 'repairs' or 'installs' with future damage intended. Or one that actually gives the tire tech 5 minutes of training and is honest. I know, an honest mechanic is almost a contradiction in terms, but they 'do' exist, really! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com > Or one that actually gives the tire tech 5 minutes of training I think that one is the key. I am certain this is why so many people have tire vibration problems. Most tire monkeys seem to be hacks: Mount it, slap some weights on and out it goes. Persistent vibration? Must be a faulty tire. How many tire shops actually ensure their tire monkeys know to make sure a tire spins true before balancing it? How many tire monkeys know to make sure the beads are seated evenly all around? How many tire monkeys know the meaning of those colored dots on the tires (and wheels)? How many garages have ANYbody on staff who knows how to mount a tire properly? How many tire shops use proper tire mounting lube instead of dish soap and water?  SignatureTegger > >> Or one that actually gives the tire tech 5 minutes of training [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > have ANYbody on staff who knows how to mount a tire properly? How many tire > shops use proper tire mounting lube instead of dish soap and water? Tell me about the colored dots on the tires and rims... >> >>> Or one that actually gives the tire tech 5 minutes of training [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Tell me about the colored dots on the tires and rims... http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/TireWheel/Balancing.htm Look about 1/4 way down that page. Steel wheels often have dots as well (don't know about aluminum). My mechanic tells me the wheel dots mean something too, but I can't remember what it is. If he can locate the wheel dot on a used wheel, he uses that as well as the tire dots when mounting. SignatureTegger > Steel wheels often have dots as well (don't know about aluminum). My > mechanic tells me the wheel dots mean something too, but I can't > remember what it is. Found the wheel dot thing: <http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:_UvatVa9kqcJ:forums.freshalloy.com/archive/i ndex.php/t-166694.html+wheels+dots&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6> SignatureTegger > >> How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat > >> tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > A shop that doesn't do 'repairs' or 'installs' with future damage intended. That shop doesn't exist anymore because he couldn't afford the insurance premiums from all the lawsuits against other shops. > Or one that actually gives the tire tech 5 minutes of training and is > honest. You can't train out lazy. > I know, an honest mechanic is almost a contradiction in terms, Not really. > but they 'do' exist, really! I like to think so. >>How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat >>tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from? the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me. Very, very few places, in my experience, mount and balance tires properly. My apologies to those of you who may be reading this who actually do do it right. nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel >>>How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat >>>tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > nate There's only /one/ place I can go where the job gets done right, first time, every time. This is the same place where the owner explained to me all about tire dots, mounting lube, bead seating, trueness and other arcana, showing me exactly how to mount a tire and exactly why the monkeys get it wrong /all/ the time. It's fairly simple once you know, but nobody knows. Or seems to care about knowing. SignatureTegger >There's only /one/ place I can go where the job gets done right, first >time, every time. This is the same place where the owner explained to me >all about tire dots, mounting lube, bead seating, trueness and other >arcana, showing me exactly how to mount a tire and exactly why the monkeys >get it wrong /all/ the time. Ah, I presume this place is in Toronto or area? > >>How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat > >>tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places > going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me. Does Tire rack exist solely on retail? Will they be around once all of their wholesale customers go tits up? > Very, very few places, in my experience, mount and balance tires > properly. My apologies to those of you who may be reading this who > actually do do it right. I don't mount tires, I DO hand torque to spec any time I R & R a wheel for other service. Mounting tires was something I did in high school for $1.65 an hour. >> the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places >> going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me. > >Does Tire rack exist solely on retail? >Will they be around once all of their wholesale customers go tits >up? Given tirerack's history at http://www.tirerack.com/about/whytirerack.jsp It seems that there business has always been selling tires to people like Nate and myself (other than their expansion into other parts of course). > >> the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places > >> going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > like Nate and myself (other than their expansion into other parts of > course). http://www.tirerackwholesale.com/whlogin/Login.jsp >> >> the Tire Rack. and I'll just buy a tire machine from one of the places >> >> going out of business. Sounds like a win-win to me. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >http://www.tirerackwholesale.com/whlogin/Login.jsp Obviously an additional area they expanded into... www.devilfinder.com How to start your own Used Tires Business I dont know.I think there is some good reading there. cuhulin >> How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat >> tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And once they're out of business, where you gonna get tires from? When the crooks are out of business, others will go into business. It is not rocket science to mount a tire to a rim properly, to balance the assembly, and to bolt it to the hub and torque with a torque wrench. If they cant handle that, they need to be out of business. I still remember how to demount a tire using irons, and remount them manually. It isnt as easy as pushing a f***ing button, but I can still do it. > >> How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat > >> tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy off [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > When the crooks are out of business, others will go into business. You all seem hell bent on turning the tire business into the health care business. Frankly, I don't really care because like I said earlier, I don't bust tires, I haven't busted tires for over 35 years. it's a base entry level job. I DO think you should be careful what you ask for and also consider who originally suggested it... The people around here whom work at the used tires places, they couldn't care less than less.To them, as far as they are concerned, it is another day, another dollar. cuhulin > The people around here whom work at the used tires places, they couldn't > care less than less.To them, as far as they are concerned, it is another > day, another dollar. > cuhulin You're buying the cheapest you can find, under those circumstances what were you expecting? Quit being a bottom feeder and watch those problems disappear. I bought a new set of tires not long ago for my 1978 Dodge van.No more than I drive anywhere nowadays, about 240 something miles each year and only on the slow poke back roads, and at my age, (sixty six) I probally won't live long enough to wear those tires out, dry rot will probally do them in first. . There is an old used tires place a few miles from doggys couch, the name of that place used to be MAYPOP Used Tires.They changed the name of that place. cuhulin >> The people around here whom work at the used tires places, they couldn't >> care less than less.To them, as far as they are concerned, it is another [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Quit being a bottom feeder and watch those problems disappear. You are over generalizing, Aarcuda. I dont know what Cuhulin does, but when I change tires, I get the best I can find. And I pay for them. I expect premier service, and will not do business with those who are thieves or cretins. And I WILL sue them under Texas Deceptive Trade Practices legislation if I have to. > >> The people around here whom work at the used tires places, they couldn't > >> care less than less.To them, as far as they are concerned, it is another [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You are over generalizing, Aarcuda. I dont know what Cuhulin does, > but when I change tires, I get the best I can find. And I pay for them. Obviously he doesn't, and he doesn't understand the difference. > I expect premier service, I'm guessing that that isn't at the used tire place. > and will not do business with those who are > thieves or cretins. No one should. > And I WILL sue them under Texas Deceptive Trade > Practices legislation if I have to. If you don't do business with them, why would you need to sue them? "aarcuda69062" <nonelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:nonelson- >> And I WILL sue them under Texas Deceptive Trade >> Practices legislation if I have to. > > If you don't do business with them, why would you need to sue > them? I wouldnt be able to sue them under this Act unless I had done business with them and had suffered from their trade practices. A lot of people in Texas dont even realize that we have one of the most powerful consumer protection laws in the nation. But, the state government does not go out and police it...if you are involved in a transaction, you can sue them.. There are many parts of this law, but a few interesting ones are: (1) You cannot charge a surcharge for use of a credit card. You can, however, offer a discount for cash purchases. (2) You cannot claim to be incorporated if you are not. Inc. is more than just a part of a company name. (3) If you tell someone that "this will fix your problem", then it had better fix his problem. Whatever problem you have committed to fix, that is. (4) You cannot advertise a "going out of business" sale unless you are factually going out of business. Clearly you cant "bait and switch", or fix one thing and set up another to break, etc etc. Im glad you clarified your position. I have known you to post valuable and accurate answers here for a long time, and was concerned that you seemed to be siding with the bad boys of the auto repair world. > Im glad you clarified your position. I have known you to post valuable and > accurate > answers here for a long time, and was concerned that you seemed to be siding > with > the bad boys of the auto repair world. Thank you. I just wanted everyone to understand that anything you do to the bad boys is going to effect the good boys also. You may get your justice, but it's going to come at an increased cost for everyone. (like health care) Lawsuits may seem to be a solution, they are if you're an attorney. I haven't had any big problems with any tire shops yet.Wheels that are on there too tight, I know how to deal with those too tight lug nuts.Cheater pipes are the greatest invention to mankind (womankind too.An old buddy of mine, he once opined/joked that his wife has to use a pipe wrench to unroll a roll of toilet paper) cuhulin > Lawsuits may seem to be a solution, they are if you're an > attorney. Lawsuits are a hard solution to problems that could normally be solved otherwise, if people would listen and work together. Laziness and greed sometimes overcome the ethics of both the supplier and the consumer. > > Lawsuits may seem to be a solution, they are if you're an > > attorney. > > Lawsuits are a hard solution to problems that could normally be solved > otherwise, if people would listen and work together. Laziness and greed > sometimes overcome the ethics of both the supplier and the consumer. Went to Home Despot last week for a L6-20 plug for my (tool gloat) newly acquired plasma cutter. One register open, I get in line. Dude comes up and asks if I want to use the self check out. I reply; I'm not interested in working for Home Depot. The look on his face was priceless. The Wal Mart stores around here have some of those self check out thingys.I never use them.I always pay cash. cuhulin > The Wal Mart stores around here have some of those self check out > thingys.I never use them.I always pay cash. > cuhulin I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or credit card. Usually the lines are shorter at these self checkout counters, making them somewhat of an advantage. I guess I am a little Type A impatient. One of the things that really pisses me off is to stand in a line and then have the person in front of me pull out a sock full of coupons, food stamps, etc and start fishing through them. Another turn off is the little old bluehair who waits until all her groceries are checked before she starting fishing through her "mother of all purses" bag, trying to find her freaking checkbook. And cant.....and cant...and cant... > > The Wal Mart stores around here have some of those self check out > > thingys.I never use them.I always pay cash. > > cuhulin > > I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or credit card. What other uncompensated jobs do you have? > Usually the lines are shorter at these self checkout counters, making them > somewhat of an advantage. And the stores use that to their advantage. I really DO view these self check outs as a social experiment of the most perverse kind... > I guess I am a little Type A impatient. Went in to Costco today to get a jug of Go-Jo, the lady in line in front of me offered to let me go ahead of her, I graciously declined and related to her that last week the people ahead of me had 4 shopping carts piled high and since they were speaking Russian, they probably were shipping the stuff back to their homeland. We had a good laugh. I've found that the best way to handle my impatience is to embrace life's little delays and use the time to just enjoy my surroundings. > One of the things that really > pisses [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > checked before she starting fishing through her "mother of all purses" bag, > trying to find her freaking checkbook. And cant.....and cant...and cant... The one good thing about the blue hair is that at that particular moment in time, she's not cutting anyone off in traffic. ;-) >> > The Wal Mart stores around here have some of those self check out >> > thingys.I never use them.I always pay cash. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What other uncompensated jobs do you have? No job is every uncompensated, in one way or another. >> I guess I am a little Type A impatient. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > The one good thing about the blue hair is that at that particular > moment in time, she's not cutting anyone off in traffic. ;-) You definitely have a point. > >> I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or credit card. > > > > What other uncompensated jobs do you have? > > No job is every uncompensated, in one way or another. Maybe I don't understand the self check out system. Do you get a % discount on your purchase when using it? For most people, if they use the self serve pump at the gas station, they get the gasoline for less money than the full service pump. I do my food shopping at a Wal Mart store, about one and a half miles from me.When the check out lines are too long to suit me, I push my shopping cart over to the yard and garden department.Usually, there is no waiting at all there. cuhulin >>>>I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or credit card. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > For most people, if they use the self serve pump at the gas station, > they get the gasoline for less money than the full service pump. Nope, the only advantage to self-checkout is you don't have to interact with the normal checker and generally is faster. Assuming, of course, everything you're buying has a proper UPC tag and the scanner is working properly. And you don't have anything too big to fit on the scale (the little bag holder thing has a scale so that it makes sure that you put everything you bought into the bag, and that you don't put anything in the bag that you didn't scan) etc... I use it maybe 25% of the time, because it really is faster than going through the regular lines, but only if I'm not buying anything (wire, hose, etc.) sold by the foot and don't have anything bulky. nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel > >>>>I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or credit card. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Nope, the only advantage to self-checkout is you don't have to interact > with the normal checker WTF? No downblouse then? Next you're going to tell me that the frozen food section is to keep products from spoiling... >> >> I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or >> >> credit card. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Maybe I don't understand the self check out system. > Do you get a % discount on your purchase when using it? I refuse to use the self-checkouts, and I make that fact known to the cashier I end up at. When I eat out at a restaurant, am I expected to go to the kitchen and place my own food order with the cooks? Self-checkouts are a sneaky way for retail outlets to cut their labor costs. That's all. Y'know what /is/ a really good idea? What Wal-Mart has done as a test in certain stores. They've arranged several checkouts to be served by one lineup. Sort of like the teller line at your bank, but better: you are told visually and audially which checkout to go to as it becomes available. Very nice. No more getting stuck in a line that gets held up by a price check or some old lady fumbling through her purse for change or some other glitch. I've often wondered why other retailers haven't tried that. SignatureTegger > >> >> I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or > >> >> credit card. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > cashier I end up at. When I eat out at a restaurant, am I expected to go to > the kitchen and place my own food order with the cooks? I like it. > Self-checkouts are a sneaky way for retail outlets to cut their labor > costs. That's all. Exactly. Creeping incrementalism. > Y'know what /is/ a really good idea? What Wal-Mart has done as a test in > certain stores. They've arranged several checkouts to be served by one [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > some old lady fumbling through her purse for change or some other glitch. > I've often wondered why other retailers haven't tried that. >>>>> I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or >>>>> credit card. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > some old lady fumbling through her purse for change or some other glitch. > I've often wondered why other retailers haven't tried that. Great, what an improvement... now *everyone* gets stuck in a line that gets held up by a price check or some old lady fumbling through her purse for change. SignatureChuck Norris can fool all of the people all of the time and Chuck Norris supports McCain. McCain -- it rhymes with Hussein, Bahrain, cocaine, insane, wolfbane, chest pain and chow mein. About a month ago, I saw an article somewhere on the intenet about some new electronic shoppinng carts that have built in price scannners.Why can't Wal Mart buy some decent shopping carts? Most of them have at one wheel out of line, it makes the karts want to go all over the place.Wal Mart stores have some neat battery powered pusher thingys which have a remote control.They are used for pushing the long lines of empty shopping carts from the parkng lot back into the store.Those guys used to use Flexi 26 feet long dog leashes (just like the one I use for my dog) to pull those shopping carts back into the store. cuhulin > >>>>> I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or > >>>>> credit card. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > gets held up by a price check or some old lady fumbling through her > purse for change. No you wouldn't. One line queuing multiple registers. No more 'oh sh.t I picked the wrong register again.' >> Y'know what /is/ a really good idea? What Wal-Mart has done as a test >> in certain stores. They've arranged several checkouts to be served by [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > gets held up by a price check or some old lady fumbling through her > purse for change. You've got that quite backwards. If you go to your local bank and one of the tellers gets stuck with some old lady who wants to tell her all about her new great-grandson, do you have to wait until she's done? No. One of the other tellers will be available long before that. That's the beauty of the "single customer line, multiple cashier" approach. I think the banks abandoned the "single line, single teller" model, oh, about 1980. It may be fairly said that other retailers are still stuck in 1979. Leisure suits, anyone? SignatureTegger "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > I refuse to use the self-checkouts, and I make that fact known to the > cashier I end up at. When I eat out at a restaurant, am I expected to go > to > the kitchen and place my own food order with the cooks? We call that a cafeteria, Tegger ;>) Advantage is that you can see the food as you order, is faster, maybe a little cheaper. If we go out to "dine", we can expect to spend an hour or two in the restaurant. If we go to "eat", we can cut that time in half. > "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message >> I refuse to use the self-checkouts, and I make that fact known to the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > We call that a cafeteria, Tegger ;>) All right then... If you go to a cafeteria, are you expected to run the cash register when you pay for your order? > Advantage is that you can see the food as you order, is faster, maybe > a little cheaper. Exactly aarcuda's point. SignatureTegger Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in article <Xns9A69C7605B0E5tegger@207.14.116.130>... > >> >> I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or > >> >> credit card. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > cashier I end up at. When I eat out at a restaurant, am I expected to go to > the kitchen and place my own food order with the cooks? When you eat at places like Mickey D and Booger King you do!!!! AND, you deliver the food to the table............ They even guilt you into bussing your own table............ Do you tip yourself 15%? > Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in article > <Xns9A69C7605B0E5tegger@207.14.116.130>... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > When you eat at places like Mickey D and Booger King you do!!!! No, you deal with the cashiers. THEY deal with the kitchen. > AND, you deliver the food to the table............ > > They even guilt you into bussing your own table............ And you also pay less than you would at a sit-down restaurant. > Do you tip yourself 15%? Every chance I get. SignatureTegger >> >> I use them a lot, and can either pay cash, or use a debit or credit >> >> card. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Maybe I don't understand the self check out system. > Do you get a % discount on your purchase when using it? Nope, you dont get a discount. I think the system is in custom evaluation and development so that eventually the machine will supplant the check out counter person. People are expensive. I use these counters when the lines are long and moving slowly. Most people dont use the automated checkout stands, so I can avoid the wait. It is a time saver, which is compensation of a sort. >> >> How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat >> >> tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I DO think you should be careful what you ask for and also > consider who originally suggested it... I dont guess I fully understand your post, Aarcuda. At this point, I dont have to do business with crooks and thieves, particularly in the tire business. I have had enough rotors warped because of ham fisted tire changers, and have learned not to accept that sort of business any more. > >> >> How about a 95 pound woman? She knows how to change out a flat > >> >> tire/wheel thingy.But, she can't get that blanky blanky blank thingy [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I dont guess I fully understand your post, Aarcuda. Duhulin thinks lawsuits are the answer. As an ESO, I think that's full of sh.t. > At this point, I dont have to do business with crooks and thieves, > particularly in the tire business. And I am glad that you don't. > I have had enough rotors warped because of ham fisted tire > changers, and have learned not to accept that sort of business > any more. I have had enough belly aches because of fast food and have learned not to eat at those sort of restaurants anymore. > Ya it's the latest sucker play! They hammer the damn things on so tight > they warp the rotors so you have to come back for a brake job. > > They are supposed to use a torque wrench on modern wheels and rotors. > > Mike The few tire shops in this little town do exactly that. Lugs go on with an impact wrench, as tight as they can hammer them on. I have started removing the wheels at my home garage, taking the tire to them for repair, and then refitting myself with a torque wrench. And yes, they should be sued. > And yes, they should be sued. I think some of them have been getting sued after those overtightened and overstressed studs break and the wheel departs. The shops I use have been using torque wrenches for five years or more. Dan
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