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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2008

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california emissions/50 state question

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patrick mitchel - 14 Mar 2008 20:30 GMT
If a 50 state car is brought into california, does the car have to be
brought up to california emissions standards to be registered in california?
Thanks Pat
Mike - 14 Mar 2008 22:55 GMT
> If a 50 state car is brought into california, does the car have to be
> brought up to california emissions standards to be registered in california?
> Thanks Pat

 A 50 state car would already meet california emission standards.
Rodan - 15 Mar 2008 02:27 GMT
If a 50 state car is brought into california, does the
car have to be brought up to california emissions
standards to be registered in california?        patrick.
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A 50 state car would already meet california
emission standards.                                    Mike.
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In California, there are special standards for emissions
and equipment on cars originally sold in California.
Vehicles originally sold in other states have different
standards.   Emissions Inspection stations connected
to the California DMV know which standards to apply.

Rodan.
aarcuda69062 - 15 Mar 2008 03:04 GMT
> If a 50 state car is brought into california, does the
> car have to be brought up to california emissions
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> In California, there are special standards for emissions
> and equipment on cars originally sold in California.

How many states are in the union?
Is California one of those states?

> Vehicles originally sold in other states have different
> standards.   Emissions Inspection stations connected
> to the California DMV know which standards to apply.
>
> Rodan.
Tegger - 15 Mar 2008 04:00 GMT
aarcuda69062 <nonelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:nonelson-
A74877.21043114032008@news.chi.sbcglobal.net:

>> If a 50 state car is brought into california, does the
>> car have to be brought up to california emissions
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> How many states are in the union?
> Is California one of those states?

There are 51 states. Canada is that extra one. ;^)

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Tegger

aarcuda69062 - 15 Mar 2008 05:08 GMT
> aarcuda69062 <nonelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:nonelson-
> A74877.21043114032008@news.chi.sbcglobal.net:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> There are 51 states. Canada is that extra one. ;^)

Nope, it's s suburb of Wisconsin.
lugnut - 15 Mar 2008 15:56 GMT
>> If a 50 state car is brought into california, does the
>> car have to be brought up to california emissions
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>How many states are in the union?
>Is California one of those states?

I sometimes wonder that myself!!

Lugnut

>> Vehicles originally sold in other states have different
>> standards.   Emissions Inspection stations connected
>> to the California DMV know which standards to apply.
>>
>> Rodan.
Steve W. - 15 Mar 2008 03:08 GMT
> If a 50 state car is brought into california, does the car have to be
>  brought up to california emissions standards to be registered in
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>
> Rodan.

And a car that was already 50 state legal would have the California
legal package.
Do the math. The U.S. has 50 states
If a car is 50 state legal then what state isn't it legal in?

Now if it's a 49 state car (which is what the OP probably was asking)
then it meets the standards of all the states EXCEPT California.

> The Bottom Line
>
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
> vehicles) less than two years old are not legal for registration or
> use in California.

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Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York

patrick mitchel - 15 Mar 2008 05:28 GMT
OK, My bad. it's a 49 state car (82 porsche 911) and the guy is trying to
sell it to my next door neighbor who's hot to trot. I told him for the price
and what it needs, he's crazy to drop the cash for the thing  (which needs
windshield, steering wheel, synchros, a bit of rust(!) paint- not to mention
that it's an oregon car and failed the first try at smogging- those are the
knowns). All for 12 k U$. The neighbor thinks he's getting a daily driver
and selling a perfectly fine iinfiniti to finance the beast. Perhaps I
should keep my BIG mouth shut (take up US history to find how many states
there are!) and wait for the comedy to follow- my neighbor doesn't know
which end of a phillips head screwdriver to use. Pat
Brent P - 15 Mar 2008 05:40 GMT
> OK, My bad. it's a 49 state car (82 porsche 911) and the guy is trying to
>sell it to my next door neighbor who's hot to trot. I told him for the price
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>there are!) and wait for the comedy to follow- my neighbor doesn't know
>which end of a phillips head screwdriver to use. Pat

I've seen '80s 911's that had good paint, good glass, and didn't seem
beat up for just under 20 grand. Paying 12 for a beater seems really
stupid.... especially with how fast the repair costs will tally up.
lugnut - 15 Mar 2008 16:00 GMT
>> OK, My bad. it's a 49 state car (82 porsche 911) and the guy is trying to
>>sell it to my next door neighbor who's hot to trot. I told him for the price
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>beat up for just under 20 grand. Paying 12 for a beater seems really
>stupid.... especially with how fast the repair costs will tally up.

Here in GA, there are some damn nice 1970's/80's 911's
around for under $20K.  I'm sure the same is true in CA.
You just have to look for them.   A $12K 911, I would stay
far from just because of the parts and labor cost to repair
one.  At $12K, it is nothing more than a fixerupper

Lugnut
Steve W. - 15 Mar 2008 05:55 GMT
>  OK, My bad. it's a 49 state car (82 porsche 911) and the guy is trying to
> sell it to my next door neighbor who's hot to trot. I told him for the price
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> there are!) and wait for the comedy to follow- my neighbor doesn't know
> which end of a phillips head screwdriver to use. Pat

Well I hope he likes getting stuck. Maybe tell him it will be legal when
he becomes Governor?  Or he could wait until 2012 when it will be a
classic and exempt from the smog laws.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm
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Steve W.

Ad absurdum per aspera - 20 Mar 2008 00:11 GMT
My (mis)understanding is that if your neighbor is proposing to buy the
car and then move to California, it only has to meet 49-state aka
Federal standards and need not be brought up to whatever the
California spec was for 1982.    I think this is also true if he is
presently a Californian and wishes to bring this car into the state,
but am less certain  about that.  He should ask http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov

How much hell he has to walk through to get this *particular* car to
meet those standards depends a lot on what kind of shape it's in (both
general wear and tear and immediate tune) and on how much smog-related
original equipment has been replaced with aftermarket mods... or a
plug or a piece of straight pipe or whatever.     In some states, if
what comes out of the tailpipe is clean enough they don't care how you
achieved that feat, but in California it all starts with a visual
inspection.  If they see missing, added, or unapproved equipment in
certain areas that are considered to affect emissions, you flunk right
then and there.

I don't know Porsches well enough to guess whether those were good
years or tell you specifically what to watch out for.   Whether this
particular car is a good buy at the price --  and whether this
particular person is a good candidate to own what sounds like
something of a mechanics special -- are questions I wouldn't touch
with a ten-millimeter ratchet wrench.

Instead let me offer my blanket suggestion for used car buyers:
having a mechanic knowledgeable about that model, who has no stake in
the deal, go over it before purchase.  He's  paying for objectivity as
much as expertise -- by the time it gets that far, more or less by
definition he  wants the vehicle, and the $25 or $50 or even $100 or
whatever that the mechanic charges for an inspection could save him
orders of magnitude more.   And even if the decision is to buy it,
he'll go into the deal with a repair and maintenance strategy, and
knowledge of the car's weak points that is gained the way you want to
(in a garage) rather than the ways you don't want to (in the desert in
the summer, in the mountains in the winter, in the toll plaza in rush
hour...)    Take it from one who has done this both the hard way and
the easy way...

Best of luck,
--Joe
 
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