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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2008

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Why Drive and not Forward?

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Steve W. - 20 Mar 2008 20:29 GMT
Ever get one of those HUH? questions stuck in your head? Here's the one
posed to me by a neighbor.
How did PRNDL become the standard nomenclature for automatic transmissions?

P- Park - Makes sense because that it what it does.
R- Reverse - Same as above.
N- Neutral - Ditto

D- Drive, Well you do "drive " the vehicle but why not F- Forward?

L- Low (or some variant of low) Lowest forward gear.

I didn't have a real definite answer for her. The closest I came up with
was that it was easier to say "Prindle" than "Prinfle"

So anyone got some time to kill?

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Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York

Ad absurdum per aspera - 21 Mar 2008 00:49 GMT
> D- Drive, Well you do "drive " the vehicle but why not F- Forward?

Good question!  I honestly don't know the answer, but this page about
the Hydra-Matic suggests narrowing down the search to the immediate
postwar years:
http://members.tripod.com/starchief57/articles.htm#hydra
"...N-H-L-R, in 1946 it was changed to N-Dr-Lo-R. Later it was changed
to P-R-N-D-L to reflect the addition of a "PARK" feature. "

My guess on *why* would be that D-for-drive  looks the least like the
other letters.

I've crossposted to rec.autos.antique in search of somebody who has
either researched or personally remembers those early days of
automatics...

Cheers,
--Joe
Stude - 23 Mar 2008 04:51 GMT
> > D- Drive, Well you do "drive " the vehicle but why not F- Forward?
>
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> Cheers,
> --Joe

Assuming that you are not from that era, I will point out
that people used the term "first" for the startin gff forward gear and
all those learning anew might think of F as first,
not forward.
Most people going backwards don't think of that as driving,
but backing (up). f you want someone to back into a parking spot you
don't say 'Drive into that spot." - you say "Back
into that spot."

Just some thoughts from an OAP.....
Mike - 21 Mar 2008 03:20 GMT
> Ever get one of those HUH? questions stuck in your head? Here's the one
> posed to me by a neighbor.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> So anyone got some time to kill?

 Just a guess but if you used F for Forward instead of D for Drive you would
have PRNFL, were the F could be mistaken for First not Forward.
aarcuda69062 - 21 Mar 2008 04:09 GMT
> Ever get one of those HUH? questions stuck in your head? Here's the one
> posed to me by a neighbor.
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>
> So anyone got some time to kill?

Dunno.  I'm still trying to figure out why some oil caps say OIL
on them and why some say 710 on them.
Steve W. - 21 Mar 2008 04:16 GMT
>> Ever get one of those HUH? questions stuck in your head? Here's the one
>> posed to me by a neighbor.
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> Dunno.  I'm still trying to figure out why some oil caps say OIL
> on them and why some say 710 on them.

The 710 caps are for British right hand drive imports.... Gee you didn't
know that!! ;->

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Steve W.

aarcuda69062 - 21 Mar 2008 04:42 GMT
> >> Ever get one of those HUH? questions stuck in your head? Here's the one
> >> posed to me by a neighbor.
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> The 710 caps are for British right hand drive imports.... Gee you didn't
> know that!! ;->

But I've seen them on brand new domestics fresh off the car
hauler.
z - 21 Mar 2008 22:15 GMT
> The 710 caps are for British right hand drive imports.... Gee you didn't
> know that!! ;->

no, silly, that's the australian terminology.
lugnut - 21 Mar 2008 16:15 GMT
>Ever get one of those HUH? questions stuck in your head? Here's the one
>posed to me by a neighbor.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>So anyone got some time to kill?

The terminology is a left over from the early days of
automatics when we had P for push,  L for leave out, D for
drag and R for race, N for nuthin'.  It cost me my allowance
forever when I decided to Drag the old man's Packard.  All
hell broke loose when I shifted to Race.

Lugnut
Scott Dorsey - 21 Mar 2008 16:17 GMT
>The terminology is a left over from the early days of
>automatics when we had P for push,  L for leave out, D for
>drag and R for race, N for nuthin'.  It cost me my allowance
>forever when I decided to Drag the old man's Packard.  All
>hell broke loose when I shifted to Race.

I thought R was when you wanted to Ram the car behind you?
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

lugnut - 21 Mar 2008 19:36 GMT
>>The terminology is a left over from the early days of
>>automatics when we had P for push,  L for leave out, D for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>I thought R was when you wanted to Ram the car behind you?
>--scott

Maybe that's where I screwed the pooch!!

Lugnut
John 'Shaggy' Kolesar - 21 Mar 2008 19:43 GMT
>>>The terminology is a left over from the early days of
>>>automatics when we had P for push,  L for leave out, D for
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Maybe that's where I screwed the pooch!!

That's what the F is for.

John.
lugnut - 22 Mar 2008 14:19 GMT
>>>>The terminology is a left over from the early days of
>>>>automatics when we had P for push,  L for leave out, D for
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>John.

Maybe I should just keep working with a stick.

Lugnut
spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 21 Mar 2008 17:22 GMT
> Ever get one of those HUH? questions stuck in your head? Here's the one
> posed to me by a neighbor.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Steve W.
> Near Cooperstown, New York

"Engage the drivegear" terminology carried over from something else?

Dave

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