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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2008

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98 dodge stratus problem still !!!!!!!!!!!

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Randy Pape - 22 Mar 2008 01:10 GMT
This has been an ongoing problem with my 98 dodge stratus for five months.
This experience with this car proves to me why I never want to take my car
to a mechanic unless it's absolutely necessary. Five weeks and two mechanics
later, who were both highly recommended, my car still isn't right. This car
has a brand new distributor, timing belt, water pump, EGR valve, PCV valve,
fuel pump, fuel filter, spark plugs, plug wires, cap and rotor, oil and
filter, coolant temp sensor and battery. The original problem started with
what I was told was a bad fuel pump. Then after that was changed, it turned
into a hard-starting, no power issue. The first mechanic told me he checked
the catalytic converter, which he never did. He also said he did vacuum
tests and changed the intake plenum gaskets, which he never did. And after
two weeks in his shop, he told me it was either my computer, distributor, or
timing belt.

Now on to the next mechanic. He had the car for three weeks. He said he did
a leak-down cylinder test, compression test, checked the timing, put in an
oxygen censor, and catalytic converter. $800 later, the car still runs
terrible at first start-up ,and now the engine is noisier than I remember it
to be. The catalytic converter made a difference, there's power getting to
the car. When my daughter and I picked up the car, I noticed the engine was
warm, so of course, it started fine and ran good all the way home. So they
must have run the car just before I got there so I could get it out of their
garage, and out of their hair .

Today when we tried to start it in our thirty degree temperatures, it will
hardly idle, and I have to keep my foot on the gas to keep it running. Once
the car warmed up, it seemed to run better and then we could shut it off and
it started right up and idled fine. Do any of you knowledgeable people out
there have any ideas where I can go look now? Perhaps the map sensor? IAC
motor? Throttle position sensor, EGR valve? All of these, from what I've
read and researched, could possibly be part of my problem. I know these can
all be tested with a volt meter, which I know how to use. I will probably
perform these tests over the weekend. All of these tests were supposed to
have been done by both of these mechanics. There are NO codes coming up at
all and forgive me if I'm coming off a bit harsh and bitter, but after this
much time and money(around $1500), my daughter's car still isn't right.
Thanks for any info or advice.

p.s. I know there are good, honest mechanics out there. I just haven't found
one yet.
aarcuda69062 - 22 Mar 2008 05:29 GMT
> p.s. I know there are good, honest mechanics out there. I just haven't found
> one yet.

I asked you a number of months ago where you are located.
You never answered.

The "wi.rr.com" in your from: header leads me to believe that you're in
Wisconsin.  Maybe not.
Randy Pape - 22 Mar 2008 05:44 GMT
yes,  i am so?

>> p.s. I know there are good, honest mechanics out there. I just haven't
>> found
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> The "wi.rr.com" in your from: header leads me to believe that you're in
> Wisconsin.  Maybe not.
aarcuda69062 - 22 Mar 2008 13:54 GMT
> yes,  i am so?

Do you want help finding someone who can fix it or not?

> >> p.s. I know there are good, honest mechanics out there. I just haven't
> >> found
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> > The "wi.rr.com" in your from: header leads me to believe that you're in
> > Wisconsin.  Maybe not.
Randy Pape - 22 Mar 2008 21:09 GMT
forgive me for not being so optimistic but i think I'll go it alone from
here on end. if i could have tested the cat myself i never would have taken
it to a shop in the first place. it seems like some of these old timer type
mechanics are not up to date, or really understand the sensors,switches etc.
thanks for your replies and offer though :-)

>> yes,  i am so?
>
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>> > The "wi.rr.com" in your from: header leads me to believe that you're in
>> > Wisconsin.  Maybe not.
HLS - 22 Mar 2008 14:32 GMT
> This has been an ongoing problem with my 98 dodge stratus for five months.

I tried to help a young woman with a car of similar vintage, but a Concorde.
I dont know which engine you have but this one was an eyeopener and would
prevent me from buying a Chrysler product for the foreseeable future.

She had taken it to the local dealership and they gave her a whole list of
crap including a new computer.  Turns out the whole diagnosis was bogus, and
she needed new spark plug cables.

The point is you need a competent and honest mechanic.

I have had a lot of faith in the AAA recommended auto mechanic program.  If
you
go to the AAA site, you may have to look a bit, but you should be able to
find their
list for your area.  Check it out.
boxing@sasktel.net - 23 Mar 2008 03:45 GMT
so can't they do tests before replacing things? obviously they are
using the shot gun approach and it is costing you a fortune. i have
heard of getting a bad fuel pump straight from the factory.
Randy Pape - 23 Mar 2008 13:55 GMT
i hear what sounds like a vacuum leak behind the heater controls. anybody
know what this could be?
> so can't they do tests before replacing things? obviously they are
> using the shot gun approach and it is costing you a fortune. i have
> heard of getting a bad fuel pump straight from the factory.
HLS - 23 Mar 2008 15:06 GMT
>i hear what sounds like a vacuum leak behind the heater controls. anybody
>know what this could be?
>> so can't they do tests before replacing things? obviously they are
>> using the shot gun approach and it is costing you a fortune. i have
>> heard of getting a bad fuel pump straight from the factory.

Dont know about this car but most cars air conditioning and heating
diverters
are vacuum operated..  A vacuum leak there could cause you some headaches.
Randy Pape - 23 Mar 2008 16:57 GMT
i think you're on the right track I'll have to check it out. my daughter has
been driving it and it doesn't run too bad other than having the cold
startup issue now.  thanks

>>i hear what sounds like a vacuum leak behind the heater controls. anybody
>>know what this could be?
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> diverters
> are vacuum operated..  A vacuum leak there could cause you some headaches.
scott21230@gmail.com - 24 Mar 2008 16:57 GMT
It's hard to say what's wrong now, given there is no telling with the
incompetent mechancs did to it.

How many miles are on the car?
When was the last time the MAF, IAC, or throttle body was cleaned?
Have you checked for vacuum leaks?
Have you checked the coolant temperature sender?
Randy Pape - 24 Mar 2008 23:55 GMT
140,00 miles on car   the maf ,iac or throttle body have never been cleaned.
they said they did vacuum tests on it ,but i swear i hear a leak coming from
behind the heater controls panel. another fellow said i should take some
seafoam cleaner and spray it into the intake directly and put the rest of
the bottle into the gas tank,. another fellow said i should clean the IAC
with carb cleaner,can the MAF sensor be cleaned also, it has a brand new
coolant temp sensor? thanks for the help.

> It's hard to say what's wrong now, given there is no telling with the
> incompetent mechancs did to it.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Have you checked for vacuum leaks?
> Have you checked the coolant temperature sender?
 
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