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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2008

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hebintn - 23 Mar 2008 14:33 GMT
My 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport just developed a problem.  Overnight the
radio went from being pretty good to one that gets nothing but static.
The tape player works fine.  My first thought was the antenna came
unplugged from the radio.  I pulled off all the plastic crap and
pulled the radio.  The antenna was plugged in.  I stuck a piece of
insulated wire into the female antenna connection and got good FM but
no AM reception.  So, I assumed the radio is OK and there must be a
problem with the coax going from radio to the antenna.  I measured the
resistance from the tip of the connector that goes to the radio to the
outside antenna and got high resistance - several megohms.  The
resistance from the outside of the coax connector to ground is high as
well.  Is there any solution other than replacing the antenna coax?
My guess is that the resistance for both should be only a few ohms.
Right?  Is it reasonable that the antenna coax would go bad like that
overnight?  Is the coax one piece from radio to antenna or could there
be some connection that has come lose?  How hard is it to replace the
coax (without completely removing the entire dashboard)?  Oh, there
have been no accidents or traumatic jars to the car other than a few
holes in the road.  Right now I'm driving around with all the plastic
in the back seat and my jerryrig antenna wire laying on the dash.
That's OK with me but my bride doesn't like it.
Simpson - 23 Mar 2008 18:43 GMT
> My 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport just developed a problem.  Overnight the
> radio went from being pretty good to one that gets nothing but static.
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> in the back seat and my jerryrig antenna wire laying on the dash.
> That's OK with me but my bride doesn't like it.

Tearing the dash out versus getting a new bride?

hmmmm... that's a tough one.
Scott Dorsey - 24 Mar 2008 01:39 GMT
>> My 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport just developed a problem.  Overnight the
>> radio went from being pretty good to one that gets nothing but static.
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>
>hmmmm... that's a tough one.

Here is a big issue: antenna lines are NOT made of coax.  They are not
actually operating as transmission lines at all, but are designed like
scope probe cables with a super high-impedance source and load.  (This
is because the antenna is a stub much shorter than a quarter-wave,
driving a high impedance input on the radio.)

The cable is shielded, but it has a VERY thin center conductor in a loose
internal tube.  That center conductor can be easily broken at the connector
on either end, and it can break in the center too.

A "Fox and Hound" telecom cable tracer can help you find the break.  Otherwise
you will have to pull a whole new pre-terminated cable assembly from the dealer
in there.
--scott
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hebintn - 26 Mar 2008 23:28 GMT
Thanks folks.  I learned a lot.  Since the only test equipment I have
is a VOM it sounds like the only solution is to buy an new one and try
to put it in.  I'm guessing from Scott's post that the existing one is
broken somewhere.  Now I'm starting to wonder if there is any harm to
the radio in just leaving the "wire" antenna in.  That may be the
easiest and most cost effective.  This is my car not the wifes and I
could care less if there is a wire hanging out on the dash.

> In article <TEwFj.21218$Ch6.12...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
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Mike Romain - 27 Mar 2008 15:30 GMT
There is something about Jeep Cherokees and radios...  Very few older
ones work well at all.  Both ones we owned quit bringing in FM.  AM and
the tape still worked.

I personally would be tempted to use your fix.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08.  Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
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> Thanks folks.  I learned a lot.  Since the only test equipment I have
> is a VOM it sounds like the only solution is to buy an new one and try
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Scott Dorsey - 28 Mar 2008 14:36 GMT
>Thanks folks.  I learned a lot.  Since the only test equipment I have
>is a VOM it sounds like the only solution is to buy an new one and try
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>easiest and most cost effective.  This is my car not the wifes and I
>could care less if there is a wire hanging out on the dash.

It's not hurting anything, but it would drive me up the wall, personally.
--scott

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Ralf Ballis - 23 Mar 2008 22:38 GMT
> My 1996 Jeep Cherokee Sport just developed a problem.  Overnight the
> radio went from being pretty good to one that gets nothing but static.
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> resistance from the outside of the coax connector to ground is high as
> well.  Is there any solution other than replacing the antenna coax?

Depending of which antenna type is installed. Some wipe antennas could be
equipped with an amplifier, in this case a high resistance between the tip
and the wipe could be possible. If not it should be zero ohm, and in case
with an amplifier it should be fed. Resistance between shield and chase
should be zero in booth cases.

Regards,

Ralf

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