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Henry Ford and Henry Leland and ''Cadillac''

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cuhulin@webtv.net - 07 Apr 2008 04:54 GMT
It is many years old, years old news to me.If it haden't been for (this
is only conjecture, of course) Henry Ford, there might not have been
Cadillac.
cuhulin
Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 07 Apr 2008 14:55 GMT
On Apr 6, 10:54 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> It is many years old, years old news to me.If it haden't been for (this
> is only conjecture, of course) Henry Ford, there might not have been
> Cadillac.
> cuhulin

It is kind of interesting, but maybe not too surprising, that MANY of
the movers and shakers in auto industry had various business and
personal relationships with each other.  It was, of course, a small
industry in the beginning, so maybe not too surprising that folks not
only knew each other, but had various business dealings.  After all,
even Ford started as an automobile assembler, putting together parts
made by a bunch of subcontractors.  Only later did industry go
vertically integrated.
cuhulin@webtv.net - 07 Apr 2008 17:52 GMT
oops, I had forgotten to post a link about that.
www.remarkablecars.com/ford-1903.html

Henry Ford's parents came to America from County Cork,Ireland.I think I
once read about that in a book, many years ago.
cuhulin
HLS - 08 Apr 2008 03:28 GMT
> oops, I had forgotten to post a link about that.
> www.remarkablecars.com/ford-1903.html
>
> Henry Ford's parents came to America from County Cork,Ireland.I think I
> once read about that in a book, many years ago.

From what I have heard, Henry was sort of a difficult chap.  (Stronger words
could
very well apply).
Some people of that era were darn near criminals, but managed to be
qualifies as
captains of industry.  There are many other examples.
fammauri@gmail.com - 09 Apr 2008 10:09 GMT
On 7 abr, 05:54, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> It is many years old, years old news to me.If it haden't been for (this
> is only conjecture, of course) Henry Ford, there might not have been
> Cadillac.
> cuhulin

La marca "Cadillac" está fuertemente relacionada con la historia
profunda de los Estados Unidos.
Conocer su origen real, al margen de las versiones oficiales, es
conocer las vinculaciones que financiaron el intento de segregación
del Sur y su Guerra Civil, 40 años antes de su fabricación.
La construcción del primer "Cadillac", fue encargada a Henry Leland
como consecuencia de la inversión de los beneficios de la guerra
obtenidos por la heredera de la familia "Cardellach" de New Orleans.
Dicha familia residía allí, procedentes de Tarrasa ( España) desde
donde emigraron en 1810. En sus almacenes en el margen del rio
Missisippi, en 1859 recibían el algodón que la  familia Yznaga del
Valle, (exiliados cubanos que financiaron la primera invasión de Cuba
por mercenarios en  1850), instigando ahora la segregación del Sur,
les enviaba desde Ravenwood (río arriba).
Este algodón, tras ser trasladado a Brownsville (Texas), desde donde
era reembarcado por Charles Stillman, como si procediera de México,
era la fuente de financiación de las armas para el Sur. Los
proveedores del Norte, "Rockefeller y Clark", no se oponían puesto
que, dado su remitente, podían creer que eran para la disidencia
cubana en su resistencia contra España.
Tras explotar la guerra civil en 1860, Rockefeller fue nombrado
proveedor oficial de armas del ejército del Norte y ya finalizada, con
la pérdida de la misma por el Sur, se trasladan los Stillman de
Brownsville a Nueva York y James Stillman (hijo de Charles Stillman y
suegro de dos hijos de Rockefeller), accede a la presidencia del
Citybanc. Es ahí, cuando a través de Emilio Fortó, su representante en
Brownsville y cuñado de la heredera Cardellach de New Orleans, recibe
el encargo de invertir los beneficios acumulados por la familia
Cardellach, cuya heredera, apenada por la duración de la guerra civil,
quiere comprarse un "trozo de cielo", aspiración frecuente en aquellos
tiempos.
Henry Leland, (mecánico de barcos), recibe la inversión y construye la
factoría que finalmente ahogada por pérdidas, debe ser vendida a Henry
Ford. Este se queda a Leland como empleado hasta que Ford ahogado por
pérdidas, acude en solicitud de ayuda a James Stillman, presidente
entonces del Citybanc.
Se le recomienda la segregación de las líneas de montaje de Packard y
Cadillac (transcipción fonética al inglés de Cardellach) y la creación
de la GM al margen de la Ford. Murphy se inventa una historia para
ocultar un orígen tan doloroso para los ciudadanos americanos, quienes
sufrieron una guerra que pensaban que debía durar tres meses y duró
casi cinco años y setecientos mil muertos.
Automatic traduction spanish to english

The trademark "Cadillac" is strongly related to the deep history of
the United States.
Knowing their true origin, apart from the official versions, is to
understand the linkages that financed the attempt to segregation in
the South and Civil War, 40 years before its manufacture.
The construction of the first "Cadillac" was commissioned Henry Leland
as a result of the reversal of the benefits of war earned by the heir
to the family "Cardellach" from New Orleans.
The family lived there from Terrassa (Spain) from where they emigrated
in 1810. In its warehouses in the margin of the Missisippi River, in
1859 received the cotton family Yznaga del Valle (Cuban exiles who
funded the first invasion of Cuba by mercenaries in 1850), now
instigating segregation in the South, sending them from Ravenwood
( Upstream).
This cotton, after being moved to Brownsville (Texas), from where he
was reembarcado by Charles Stillman, as if it came from Mexico, was
the source of funding for arms to the South. Suppliers North,
"Rockefeller and Clark," they were not opposed because, given its
sender, could believe that they were for Cuban dissidents in their
resistance against Spain.
After exploiting the civil war in 1860, Rockefeller was named official
supplier of arms of the army and Northern finalized, with the loss of
the same for the South, moving the Stillman Brownsville to New York
and James Stillman (son of Charles Stillman and stepfather of two
children Rockefeller), go to the chairmanship of Citybanc. That's when
Emilio Fortó through its representative in Brownsville and brother of
the heir Cardellach from New Orleans, gets the task of reversing the
benefits accrued by the family Cardellach, whose heir, apenada for the
duration of the civil war, wants buy a "piece of heaven", common
aspiration at the time.
Henry Leland (mechanical boats), which receives investment and built
factories that eventually drowned out by losses, should be sold to
Henry Ford. This falls to Leland as an employee until that Ford
drowned by losses in aid application goes to James Stillman, president
of Citybanc then.
It is highly recommended segregation of assembly lines Packard and
Cadillac (transcipción the phonetic English of Cardellach) and the
creation of the GM outside Ford. Murphy invents a story to hide an
origin so painful for the American citizens, who have suffered a war
that thought that was supposed to last three months and lasted almost
five years and seven hundred thousand dead.
Tegger - 10 Apr 2008 03:40 GMT
> The construction of the first "Cadillac" was commissioned Henry Leland
> as a result of the reversal of the benefits of war earned by the heir
> to the family "Cardellach" from New Orleans.

Boy, I have no idea where you got that one from.

Henry Leland named the car after the 17th-century French explorer
who founded what became the city of Detroit.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_la_Mothe_Cadillac>
<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22henry+leland%22+cadillac+explor
er&btnG=Search
>

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fammauri@gmail.com - 06 May 2008 09:12 GMT
> famma...@gmail.com wrote innews:385fce3b-4ebf-4f0f-bfd2-baf55c33bcac@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
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> Tegger

I'm not a boy, and sorry, d'ont speek english. I'm old men with
ascendents in the USA and know your history and the history of the my
ancestry in the USA. Ist not trwe the history of Murphy. Is only a
good marketing. Regards from Barcelona Spain.
 
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