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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / May 2008

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SUV's and pickups worthless?

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Bailey B - 12 May 2008 11:04 GMT
Just saw a network news story stating that many dealers will no longer
accept SUV's as trade in.   Their mileage is so poor no one wants them.
One dealer accepted one SUV a month ago. In that month no one has even
asked to test drive it.  

For many the fuel costs exceed your SUV car payments.   Based on this
news report, It appears that your SUV or full size pickup is either
worth nothing now as a trade in or you will get almost nothing for it
selling it yourself.  Maybe you can sell it to a scrap iron dealer.
C. E. White - 12 May 2008 15:23 GMT
> Just saw a network news story stating that many dealers will no
> longer
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> even
> asked to test drive it.

How about citing the story (network, time, etc.). I doubt if it is
true, or not as bad as you seem to be indicating.

> For many the fuel costs exceed your SUV car payments.

That would depend on how many miles you drive a month. For me,
insurance is a higher expense than gas (two teenage sons), despite the
current high prices. If you drive 1,000 miles a moth and your SUV get
15 mpg (I got about this with the Expedition I used to own) you would
spend around $250 a month on gas. I think you would have a hard time
buying a $35+k SUV for $250 a month.

> Based on this
> news report, It appears that your SUV or full size pickup is either
> worth nothing now as a trade in or you will get almost nothing for
> it
> selling it yourself.  Maybe you can sell it to a scrap iron dealer.

Typical over reaction. I just saw a story about how in Europe
mid-sized SUVs are all the rage - and they still pay much more for gas
than we do in the US. I think it is a good thing that the SUV /
Pick-up fad is coming to an end, but for people that have a true need
for such vehicles, gas prices are not as horrible as you think.

However, anyone that has a worthless 2007 Ford F350 Truck with low
miles for sale, I'll be happy to give them $2k for the vehicle to get
it off their hands....

Ed
John S. - 12 May 2008 16:05 GMT
> Just saw a network news story stating that many dealers will no longer
> accept SUV's as trade in.   Their mileage is so poor no one wants them.
> One dealer accepted one SUV a month ago. In that month no one has even
> asked to test drive it.  
>
> For many the fuel costs exceed your SUV car payments.  

A meaningless statement.

> Based on this
> news report, It appears that your SUV or full size pickup is either
> worth nothing now as a trade in or you will get almost nothing for it
> selling it yourself.  Maybe you can sell it to a scrap iron dealer.

Or seen from another perspective, if you really want to reduce the
overall cost of car ownership don't buy a hybrid at a substantial
premium.  Just buy a heavily discounted used SUV at a very low price.
Most of us are forgetting the single largest variable in car operating
expense:  Initial purchase price.

Or, if you are the owner of an SUV, just hold onto it...the operating
cost will be less than dumping it and buying a new hybrid.

As with the real estate brokers of 2 years ago, todays car dealers
love to see buyers making panic decisions.  They are laughing all the
way to the bank.
Scott Dorsey - 12 May 2008 17:38 GMT
On May 12, 6:04=A0am, Baile...@webtv.net (Bailey B) wrote:
> Just saw a network news story stating that many dealers will no longer
> accept SUV's as trade in. =A0 Their mileage is so poor no one wants them.
> One dealer accepted one SUV a month ago. In that month no one has even
> asked to test drive it. =A0

Dealers will accept _anything_ as a trade-in.  Just because it isn't worth
anything doesn't mean they won't take it.  Just that they'll give you about
as much for it as they add to the price of the car they're selling.

Since I don't like SUVs, I think it's a good thing that the prices on them
are dropping because it indicates lower demand in the market.  If, on the
other hand, you like SUVs, you should be glad that they are dropping because
it means you can buy used ones for less.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

John S. - 12 May 2008 18:02 GMT
> On May 12, 6:04=A0am, Baile...@webtv.net (Bailey B) wrote:
>
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> --
> "C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Unfortunately for some people they are making significant purchases
based on panic reactions to increasing gas prices.
Nate Nagel - 13 May 2008 02:40 GMT
>>On May 12, 6:04=A0am, Baile...@webtv.net (Bailey B) wrote:
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> Unfortunately for some people they are making significant purchases
> based on panic reactions to increasing gas prices.

Hmm, maybe I should have held off on buying a pickup for a while!  Of
course, I seriously doubt prices of *nice* pickups (by nice, I mean
something like a 3/4 ton with a manual transmission and towing package,
not leather interior and nice stereo) have dropped to my level yet.

nate

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John S. - 13 May 2008 16:14 GMT
> >>On May 12, 6:04=A0am, Baile...@webtv.net (Bailey B) wrote:
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I think we will see prices of low mpg vehicles drop, but how much -
who knows?
Paul - 12 May 2008 21:01 GMT
> Just saw a network news story stating that many dealers will no longer
> accept SUV's as trade in.   Their mileage is so poor no one wants them.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> worth nothing now as a trade in or you will get almost nothing for it
> selling it yourself.  Maybe you can sell it to a scrap iron dealer.

Ha ha.  Send them to Texas.  I am one of the few people here that still
drives an ordinary car.
Dealers hardly stock cars here any more unless they are very good
sellers, like Mustangs.
HLS - 13 May 2008 02:19 GMT
"Bailey B" <Bailey_B@webtv.net> wrote in message news:3509-48281629-

> Based on this
> news report, It appears that your SUV or full size pickup is either
> worth nothing now as a trade in or you will get almost nothing for it
> selling it yourself.

They were never worth anything to me..
Soccer moms made them a "must have".
ray - 13 May 2008 05:17 GMT
> Just saw a network news story stating that many dealers will no longer
> accept SUV's as trade in.   Their mileage is so poor no one wants them.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> worth nothing now as a trade in or you will get almost nothing for it
> selling it yourself.  Maybe you can sell it to a scrap iron dealer.

Sure.  Good luck moving a fridge in your Prius.  I won't pay $50k or
whatever idiotic prices they want for a new truck, but I ain't getting
rid of my old one either just because gas is expensive.  When I need to
go to Home Depot or the dump or the junkyard or helping someone move, I
take the ugly old truck.  When I commute to work... I don't usually.

The interesting side of that is my old truck costs a lot less to insure
than a car - about 1/2 of what the Beretta does, so even at 1/2 the
mileage, it's still about the same overall net cost.  I just prefer
driving a car vs a longbox pickup with lousy brakes and a lousy stereo
in rush hour ...

Ray
N8N - 14 May 2008 22:23 GMT
> > Just saw a network news story stating that many dealers will no longer
> > accept SUV's as trade in.   Their mileage is so poor no one wants them.
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>
> Ray

The lousy stereo is easily fixed, but you also forgot "that POS twin I-
beam suspension" unless unlike apparently 90% of the pickup buyers in
my area, you didn't buy a Ford.

Having occasionally driven the Ugly Truck in semi-urban traffic,
however, I agree that I can't understand why someone would actively
choose to do that every day.  Sure, you *can,* just like you can drink
cheap beer, but what are you really gaining from the exercise?

What I really don't understand is why the half-ton truck is the de
facto standard pickup truck.  For everything for which I actually need
my truck, I find myself wishing that I'd been able to find a cheap
used 3/4 ton so I didn't feel like I was overworking the one that I
have.

nate
boxing@sasktel.net - 13 May 2008 05:38 GMT
aren't we all running our cars on water now? your not going to tell me
the "run your car on water" post was a fraud are you?
zzyzzx - 14 May 2008 18:44 GMT
> Maybe you can sell it to a scrap iron dealer.

That's where SUV's and most pickup truck belong anyway.
boxing@sasktel.net - 15 May 2008 00:31 GMT
I have heard that the dealers are accepting lease returns where the
vehicle is worth $8,000 less than they expected. I suspect it would be
a $50,000 SUV that comes back off the lease and they expect they can
get $25,000 for it. Surprise its only worth $17,000.00
cuhulin@webtv.net - 15 May 2008 04:52 GMT
That is what I like about my big old long tall 1978 Dodge van.I paid
cash for the van when I bought it in 1989.My next liability insurance
payment (every six months) of about $149.00 will be due by August 17.I
have an Antique Truck license plate on my van, I dont ever have to buy a
new license  plate or annual license plate sticker.My van is about 18
feet long bumper to bumper.I have hauled 14 feet long boards in my van
before and I could close the rear doors.I Love my big old long body 1978
Dodge van.Al Bundy would be Proud.    www.bundyology.com
cuhulin
 
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