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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2006

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Robin - 07 Dec 2003 00:22 GMT
Thinking of going into an Auto Tech course to prepare for the ASE
certification.  Can anyone tell me if it will be possible to find a
job just out of school?  I'm thinking it will be difficult and don't
want to just end up with a debt and no job.
Pyats - 07 Dec 2003 02:05 GMT
> Thinking of going into an Auto Tech course to prepare for the ASE
> certification.  Can anyone tell me if it will be possible to find a
> job just out of school?  I'm thinking it will be difficult and don't
> want to just end up with a debt and no job.

While nothing in life is easy or certain, there have always been
plenty of mech/tech jobs available.  You may have to go where the
cars and jobs are though.  There are more jobs in a city of
3,000,000 then in a town of 3,000.
Visit 3 or 10 dealerships and talk to the service managers...
Try to get a few minutes of their time and ask LOTS of questions.
(Information interviews).  Most will be happy to help you.
Robin - 07 Dec 2003 19:46 GMT
> > Thinking of going into an Auto Tech course to prepare for the ASE
> > certification.  Can anyone tell me if it will be possible to find a
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> Try to get a few minutes of their time and ask LOTS of questions.
> (Information interviews).  Most will be happy to help you.
06

Thanks for the info.  I'm in Atlanta; lot's of dealerships and shops.
I'll check some out and find out from them!
Bob Paulin - 07 Dec 2003 18:40 GMT
Robin <rdlax@hotmail.com> wrote in article
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> Thinking of going into an Auto Tech course to prepare for the ASE
> certification.  Can anyone tell me if it will be possible to find a
> job just out of school?  I'm thinking it will be difficult and don't
> want to just end up with a debt and no job.

Be aware that, on an annual basis,  25% of ASE certifications are
intentionally NOT renewed by people who remain in the industry.

Many technicians nowadays feel that the ASE certification is nothing more
than a money-making scheme - which many technicians pay for out of their
own pocket - that fails to really benefit them in any tangible way.

The good techs who are capable of effecting proper, safe and permanent (no
"comebacks") repairs STILL command the best money - ASE certification or
not.

To become ASE certified, you must pass a multiple-choice, written test.

Many of the more-advanced D.I.Y. "shadetree" mechanics who participate on
this forum could probably pass - or come pretty close to passing these
"multiple guess" tests.

Passing a written test is really no indication of a person's hands-on,
spatial vision, and critical thinking skills when it comes to repairing
mechanical/electronic equipment.

Bob Paulin - R.A.C.E.
Chassis Analysis Services
Barry S. - 08 Dec 2003 02:21 GMT
>Robin <rdlax@hotmail.com> wrote in article
><d722d888.0312061622.1b5f2de6@posting.google.com>...
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>Be aware that, on an annual basis,  25% of ASE certifications are
>intentionally NOT renewed by people who remain in the industry.

And if you own your shop or aren't worried about looking for a job,
etc..   There is mostly no reason to...

>Many technicians nowadays feel that the ASE certification is nothing more
>than a money-making scheme - which many technicians pay for out of their
>own pocket - that fails to really benefit them in any tangible way.

They are overpriced...  But they do serve a purpose..  It's just
another credential, but it makes hiring a little easier for service
managers.  Lets say one technician has A1-A8, L1 and a couple of years
of experience..  Another has been working at various jobs for 25 years
with no certifications.  At the very least, the guy the the certs has
proven he has a BASIC understanding of vehicle systems..  Who would
you rather hire?

>The good techs who are capable of effecting proper, safe and permanent (no
>"comebacks") repairs STILL command the best money - ASE certification or
>not.

TRUE!   And those guys can easily pass the ASEs.   No reason not to
have them.

>To become ASE certified, you must pass a multiple-choice, written test.

A sometimes tricky, poorly written, multiple choice test that I think
doesn't always focus on whats important.  If I weren't so tired at the
end of it, I would have written an essay about the 15 questions I
disagreed with...  

HOWEVER, if you want a CA Smog License.  You need A6, A8, L1 in order
to take the test..  (Although there are alternative classes you can
take, its faster to just take the tests)...

ASE's test for a base level of knowledge..  And to think that there
are lots of people working on cars for a living who don't have enough
subject knowledge to pass a bare minimum knowledge test.  Scary..

ASE's are not perfect, but since many mechanics don't go out and get
AS Automotive Technology degrees from schools with good programs, the
ASEs are one more credential in the marketplace.

But in the end, it's all pieces of paper..  The real question is, can
a tech fix a car correctly, the first time, and make sure it doesn't
come back?  The people who can -- can surely pass the ASEs.

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Robin - 08 Dec 2003 04:24 GMT
> Robin <rdlax@hotmail.com> wrote in article
> <d722d888.0312061622.1b5f2de6@posting.google.com>...
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> Bob Paulin - R.A.C.E.
> Chassis Analysis Services

Maybe true, and I can understand your reasoning, but I think fresh out
of school an ASE would help in finding a job.
laplo80@bellsouth.net - 08 Dec 2003 20:12 GMT
> > Robin <rdlax@hotmail.com> wrote in article
> > <d722d888.0312061622.1b5f2de6@posting.google.com>...
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> Maybe true, and I can understand your reasoning, but I think fresh out
> of school an ASE would help in finding a job.

When I was first certified in 1974,you could take it &25cents to get a
cup of coffee. Now its 3 bucks,or should I say STARBUCKS!
Rex B - 08 Dec 2003 20:47 GMT
|Thinking of going into an Auto Tech course to prepare for the ASE
|certification.  Can anyone tell me if it will be possible to find a
|job just out of school?  I'm thinking it will be difficult and don't
|want to just end up with a debt and no job.

I'm sure you know that there are more cars now than there are Qualified techs to
repair them. Same with the collision repair industry.  If you truly learn to
accurately and quickly diagnose cars, you will have no problem getting a
position with good income, hours & benefits. You just need to make sure you get
a good education for your money and not just learn to pass an ASE test.
Rex in Fort Worth
Eddie L - 22 Mar 2006 19:14 GMT
i have to disagree about haveing to go to school to get a good job.  i have
been working on cars for about 5 or 6 years and never steped foot in a school.
true i know ase would help me make money but i can still get a job at any
shop i want to just based on what i can do...
 
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