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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / May 2007

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Help with Stripped and Rusted bolt

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echo_beat@yahoo.com - 25 May 2004 22:47 GMT
I need some advice.

I am trying to take out the bolt that goes into the positive
terminal of my sidepost battery.

It's rusted-in and very stripped, nothing I do will budge it
and I cannot move the battery out of it's little cramped compartment
to get more leverage.

Should I take a hacksaw to it?  Hammer and Chisil? I cannot
really get anything like liquid wrench on the threads since those
are sealed over by the connector.

thanks in advance.

echo*ohce
John  Ings - 25 May 2004 22:59 GMT
>I need some advice.
>
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>really get anything like liquid wrench on the threads since those
>are sealed over by the connector.

You can get bolt removal tools for stripped bolts. They look like a
socket but have teeth inside instead of flats that will bite into a
rounded nut or bolt. Shock helps too, if you can get hold of a small
impact wrench.
Rex B - 25 May 2004 23:24 GMT
||>I need some advice.
||>
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||rounded nut or bolt. Shock helps too, if you can get hold of a small
||impact wrench.

Be resigned to the fact that the battery is toast, since removal methods would
likely break the seal to the case or the connection to the grids.   Hopefully
you are changing the battery because it is dead.
Texas Parts Guy
Chas Hurst - 25 May 2004 23:33 GMT
> ||>I need some advice.
> ||>
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> you are changing the battery because it is dead.
> Texas Parts Guy

Rex is correct here, for the most part. If the battery is good, and you have
some extra cable to the terminal, you can cut the cable and use water pump
pliers to wind the bolt and terminal out together. It still may break the
seal to the case though.

Chas Hurst
PAROADHOG - 26 May 2004 00:57 GMT
>Rex is correct here, for the most part. If the battery is good, and you have
>some extra cable to the terminal, you can cut the cable and use water pump
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>
>Or........you could cut the cable, then splice another cable to the cut end.
HLS - 26 May 2004 02:19 GMT
I find it hard to believe that you cant back a bolt out of those lead
threads.  Yes, you may strip everything, but lead is soft and I believe you
most likely CAN loosen it.

Vise grips, whatever.
Neil Nelson - 26 May 2004 13:36 GMT
> I find it hard to believe that you cant back a bolt out of those lead
> threads.  

That's because many side terminal batterys use a steel insert
(nut) inside the connection.

> Yes, you may strip everything, but lead is soft and I believe you
> most likely CAN loosen it.
>
> Vise grips, whatever.

What everyone so far has pretty much missed is; the terminal is
leaking acid, that is why the terminal bolt is frozen.  Over
tightening is the most likely cause...  The battery -and- the
cable need to be replaced or the same problem will occur in short
order.
nanook - 26 May 2004 14:27 GMT
>> I find it hard to believe that you cant back a bolt out of those lead
>> threads.  
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>cable need to be replaced or the same problem will occur in short
>order.

i've seen terminal removal tools at stores like harbor freight and
western auto.  i'm sure sears sell the same thing.  it looks like a
miniature gear puller.  this may be what you are looking for, since
there will be no twisting to make the crack worse.
Dick C - 26 May 2004 16:28 GMT
nanook wrote in rec.autos.tech

>>> I find it hard to believe that you cant back a bolt out of those lead
>>> threads.  
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> miniature gear puller.  this may be what you are looking for, since
> there will be no twisting to make the crack worse.

Uh, no. Those tools are for removing the battery cables from the
top mounted terminals. The terminals on those are about 1/2 inch or
larger in diameter, and sometimes the cable does not come off of them.
The best way to remove those cables is to loosen the nut and then
pull with the puller. What the OP has is a side terminal battery.
The terminals are mounted flush to the side of the case, and then
are drilled and tapped to accept a bolt.
The cable ends are wrapped in insulation, with a hole through the
middle, and the special design bolt fits into the insulation and
screws into the termimal. There is nothing to pull.
The batteries are a real pain. Hard to jump, since the bolt heads
are so small, and can be hard to change. My own advice is that if
vice grips cant' get the bolt out, disconnect the cables from the
other end, or cut them off, pull the battery and buy new cables
an battery. Possibly going to a more conventional battery.

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Martik - 26 May 2004 05:13 GMT
Is there also regular terminals on the top of the battery? If so you could
use one of them instead. I would try penetrating oil and visegrips first.
mbjj - 27 May 2004 14:26 GMT
> I need some advice.
>
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>
> echo*ohce
Why not just trace the battery wires back to their point of connection [pos
and neg] and take them off there? Remove the battery and replace the whole
setup with new wires?
Mike Romain - 27 May 2004 15:25 GMT
Use penetrating oil.

It 'will' get in there, the rubber cap isn't sealed.

Then a pair of vise grips will loosen it.  You can grab the whole cable
end and try turning that too.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> I need some advice.
>
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>
> echo*ohce
ericagayle - 14 May 2007 13:47 GMT
Hi guys - single female looking for some help!  Am having the same problem
with the battery in my 1993 Saburban.  The battery actually exploded and I
couldn't get the positive connection off because the bolt is stripped.  Am
headed to WalMart to look for the bolt removal tool mentioned below and buy a
new battery.  If I can't get the postive connection off, can I cut the wire
and splice it?  Is there anything special I need to know to do that?

Thanks!!

>I need some advice.
>
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>
>echo*ohce
 
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