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2000 Impala engine tick noise

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Kevin - 29 May 2004 15:24 GMT
I just bought a 2000 impala with 45000 miles. It has the 3.4 litre
engine. Automatic tranny and all the other bells and whistles (just
not the LS version).

The oil looked good. A little high if anything. So I changed the oil.
Since then I have notices a ticking when I first start the motor. It
quits after about 35 seconds (ish). I don't hear the tcking after
that.

Might this be a serious issue with the engine? Does anyoneknow wha
this might be?

Thanks
Kevin
Ray - 29 May 2004 15:57 GMT
> I just bought a 2000 impala with 45000 miles. It has the 3.4 litre
> engine. Automatic tranny and all the other bells and whistles (just
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> Thanks
> Kevin
Change the oil filter again.  This time with a good one like an ACDelco.
My Fiero used to do that if I used Canadian Tire oil filters - the
drainback valve in your oil filter is no good and it's allowing the oil
to drain out.  Or it could be normal and you didn't notice before - did
you ever start the engine with the hood open before you changed the oil? :)
(fuel injectors make a ticking sound)

Ray
Martik - 29 May 2004 19:40 GMT
>> I just bought a 2000 impala with 45000 miles. It has the 3.4 litre
>> engine. Automatic tranny and all the other bells and whistles (just
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> drainback valve in your oil filter is no good and it's allowing the oil to
> drain out.

Or just change the filter :)

Did you use the correct viscosity oil? If it's too thick on startup it will
tick
Kevin - 16 Jun 2004 04:32 GMT
> >> I just bought a 2000 impala with 45000 miles. It has the 3.4 litre
> >> engine. Automatic tranny and all the other bells and whistles (just
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> Did you use the correct viscosity oil? If it's too thick on startup it will
> tick

I have change the oil and stil have the same simptums, ticky at
startup. th eprevious filter was a puralator. Now I have a Fram
installed with 5w30 oil. I have the ticky noise at startup for about
35 seconds then sounds ok. ideas? help?

I am starting to think I bought a lemon.

Thanks
Kevin
Anumber1 - 16 Jun 2004 14:39 GMT
> > >> I just bought a 2000 impala with 45000 miles. It has the 3.4 litre
> > >> engine. Automatic tranny and all the other bells and whistles (just
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> >
> > Or just change the filter :)

You really should take the advice previoulsy given and use an AC filter or
at least a Wix or Hastings.
Fram, Purolator and the like are not a very good quality filter in respect
to the Anti drain back valve function.

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Nate Nagel - 16 Jun 2004 20:50 GMT
> > "Martik" <martik@_nospam_telus.net> wrote in message
>  news:<cO4uc.2214$RK3.664@clgrps13>...
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> Fram, Purolator and the like are not a very good quality filter in respect
> to the Anti drain back valve function.

I agree Fram is crap but thought that Purolator used to make a decent
filter.  Is that no longer the case?

nate
Anumber1 - 16 Jun 2004 21:09 GMT
> > > "Martik" <martik@_nospam_telus.net> wrote in message
> >  news:<cO4uc.2214$RK3.664@clgrps13>...
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>
> nate

The 2.8 in my S-10 will rattle pretty good with a fram, purolator, bosch, or
penske. No problems with an AC, Hastings or Wix.
Just my humble experience.

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Fred - 19 Jun 2004 22:44 GMT
There is no question quality filters make a difference. However in the
case of your 3.4L, there is a recall on this issue. The problem is
referred to as I believe "piston slap" and GM dealers will listen to
the engine for about 60 to 70 sec. If the sound goes away before that
period, it is normal. If it lasts longer, they will rebuilt the
engine. I'm not 100% sure if they notified all owners or not, but go
to a dealer with your VIN and ask. Other than that, there is head
gasket issue. Look on the web for 3.4L cooling and gasket issues.

The engine is also noted for a rather "near-rough" idle condition that
all N.American GM V6 engines have had on and off for about 10 or 12
years now. This engine is still in wide use, the newest application is
in Chevy Equinox, in this application it is made and assembled in
China.
shiden_Kai - 20 Jun 2004 00:11 GMT
> There is no question quality filters make a difference. However in the
> case of your 3.4L, there is a recall on this issue.

There is "no" recall on this issue.  There is a "bulletin", but no
recall.  So if you are out of warranty, you are basically..."out
of luck".

> The problem is
> referred to as I believe "piston slap" and GM dealers will listen to
> the engine for about 60 to 70 sec. If the sound goes away before that
> period, it is normal. If it lasts longer, they will rebuilt the
> engine.

Try 2-3 minutes.  And they don't rebuild the engine, we install
new pistons...only...no new rings, and no new rod bearings.
And it fixes the problem for a few kilometers.

> I'm not 100% sure if they notified all owners or not, but go
> to a dealer with your VIN and ask. Other than that, there is head
> gasket issue. Look on the web for 3.4L cooling and gasket issues.

What head gasket issue?  Intake gasket issue, no head gasket
issue.

> The engine is also noted for a rather "near-rough" idle condition that
> all N.American GM V6 engines have had on and off for about 10 or 12
> years now.

"Near-rough" idle condition?  Interesting....never heard
of that, and I've been a GM dealer tech for 24+ years
now.  Where do you get your information?

Ian
Fred - 20 Jun 2004 11:26 GMT
Yes, you're absolutely right. It's the intake not the head gasket. As
for the "near-rough" idle, this is my description of all 2.8, 3.1, 3.4
engines. They seem to have been programmed to idle so lean that the
engine's idle quality is ok at the time of show room delivery, but
5000 miles down the road, things drift and depending on quality of
gas, air temp, atmospheric pressure, phase of the moon, ... etc. they
all tend to idle rough at stop lights with transmission in "D". I've
noticed this only on two brands of cars, GM from after about two or
three months of service and Nissan/Infiniti brands after about 100,000
miles or so. Compare this to the idle quality of a Honda 1.6, 1.8,
2.0, 2.2, from show room floor to the end of life, they usually run
great.

Was there a recall on the coolant flow issue? What year was it
actually fixed in production? I know a friend of mine who had 38,900
miles and his 3.4 in a Pontiac Montana had that problem. Cost was
$3100 and it was not covered

> > There is no question quality filters make a difference. However in the
> > case of your 3.4L, there is a recall on this issue.
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>
> Ian
shiden_Kai - 20 Jun 2004 16:56 GMT
> Was there a recall on the coolant flow issue? What year was it
> actually fixed in production? I know a friend of mine who had 38,900
> miles and his 3.4 in a Pontiac Montana had that problem. Cost was
> $3100 and it was not covered

"Coolant flow issue"?  I'm going to assume that we
are again talking about the intake manifold gasket
leak issue.  It's an ongoing problem, with ongoing
gasket updates.  The latest gasket on the 3.4 engines
in 2004 has had an additional metal pellet inserted
into the gasket in the middle section, and also has
re-designed rubber inserts around the water ports.
Basically, they now have two inserts at that point,
one to seal the water port, the other as a sort of
"backup" gasket to prevent coolant leaking into
the lifter valley.  Whether it will actually work remains
to be seen.

Ian
JazzMan - 20 Jun 2004 20:44 GMT
> > Was there a recall on the coolant flow issue? What year was it
> > actually fixed in production? I know a friend of mine who had 38,900
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> the lifter valley.  Whether it will actually work remains
> to be seen.

How closely is this 3.4 related to the 3.4 used in the
90-95 F-body cars?

JazzMan

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shiden_Kai - 20 Jun 2004 21:10 GMT
> How closely is this 3.4 related to the 3.4 used in the
> 90-95 F-body cars?

Well, that engine is from the same family, but I
think that at that time it had the cast iron heads.
That was pretty rare to see one of those engines
in the F-bodies, at least up here.  Obviously, it
was also different simply because of the RWD
orientation as opposed to the FWD orientation.

Ian

Ian
Kevin - 29 Jun 2004 03:48 GMT
> > "Anumber1" <anumber1@*NOSPAM*bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>  news:<10d0j47nv08no6f@corp.supernews.com>...
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> penske. No problems with an AC, Hastings or Wix.
> Just my humble experience.

I have replaced the Fram with a AC delco filter (PF47). When I removed
the filter, I did not seem to much oil spill when I removed the old
filter. I was expecting oil spill back. Anyway, I am sorry to say that
I am still having the ticky engine as before. After startup the engine
is ticky for the first 30 to 40 seconds of idle. The ticky noise is
from the motor. The noise follows the engine if the engine is reved.

This is starting to get concerning as I am sure this is not good for
the life of the motor. I am starting to get concerned that I bought a
problem car.

Any ideas/ comments?

Thanks
Kevin
jdonline - 07 Sep 2007 08:34 GMT
That's unfortunate, are you capable of taking the engine apart and examining
it? If not bring it to a mechanic and have them look at it for you. I think
it's better to go ahead and get the problem solved at this stage than to wait
it out by yourself and suffer the consequences.

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Mobile, AL
www.qaparts.com

>> > "Anumber1" <anumber1@*NOSPAM*bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>>  news:<10d0j47nv08no6f@corp.supernews.com>...
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>Thanks
>Kevin
 
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