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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / October 2004

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Nate Nagel - 30 Oct 2004 02:25 GMT
OK, so I toasted the clutch in my Stude last weekend.  Was going to have
to come apart sooner or later anyway as the throwout bearing was
sounding dry, so I'm not real broken up about it.  But anyway, here come
the questions...

first, this is an all original car with 24K miles on it.  It was parked
for 30-some years and never driven.  Do pressure plates wear out from
use, or do the springs get weaker over time even if the clutch is not
used?  Reason I ask is, I can get clutch discs fairly cheaply but a new
pressure plate is about $200 at least for a performance type unit.  I'm
wondering if replacing the pressure plate is really necessary,
especially since I am almost certain that the death of the original
plate was due not to wear but to my driving the car with a leaking rear
main seal (well, and thoroughly testing the throttle response of my new
AFB.)

second, would it be worth it to "upgrade" to an 11" unit (from 10.4") -
this seems counterintuitive, wouldn't a smaller diameter clutch provide
more torque transmission capabilities for a given clamping force, all
other factors remaining equal?  Why are larger diameter clutches offered
as "upgrades?"  I'd like to keep pedal effort to a reasonable level so
it seems like I'd be better off with a stock sized unit.

Finally, the stock pressure plate is a Borg and Beck type I believe, I
have been told that it's fairly easy to fit a diaphragm type however.
Can someone give me a quick 'n' dirty explanation of the advantages and
disadvantages of both?  Also, I thought about a "centerforce" type
clutch but I'm not sure if that would really be a good idea - a Stude
motor makes lots of torque down low and very little power (over 300
lb-ft at 3Kish, and only a hair over 200 HP at around 5K) so would the
centrifugal assist really do anything?  At what RPM does the clamping
force start to increase, typically?

I'll probably just throw another stock unit at it, but thinking about
possible upgrades made me realize that there's stuff I don't know about
clutches and I hate that :)

thanks,

nate

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Kathy and Erich Coiner - 30 Oct 2004 05:24 GMT
The larger radius  clutch can transmit more torque the same way larger
diameter brakes give more stopping power.

Every part on your car is 40 plus years old. Replace everything.  Do it
right and you will do it once.  Nickel and dime it and you will get to
revisit each area of your car over and over.
Don't ask me how I learned this lesson.

Erich
> OK, so I toasted the clutch in my Stude last weekend.  Was going to have
> to come apart sooner or later anyway as the throwout bearing was
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Tony - 30 Oct 2004 06:23 GMT
Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net> wrote in news:ouKdnV41YqLzcB_cRVn-
og@comcast.com:

> OK, so I toasted the clutch in my Stude last weekend.  Was going to have
> to come apart sooner or later anyway as the throwout bearing was
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> as "upgrades?"  I'd like to keep pedal effort to a reasonable level so
> it seems like I'd be better off with a stock sized unit.

There are two things to consider.
The area of a circle is pi*R^2, so the area increases by the square of
the radius. This provides more friction area, to take more load.
BUT,
With the same applied pressure, the clamping pressure per square inch is
reduced, since you have more surface area.

> Finally, the stock pressure plate is a Borg and Beck type I believe, I
> have been told that it's fairly easy to fit a diaphragm type however.
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>
> nate

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Mike Romain - 30 Oct 2004 15:02 GMT
I have an 86 Jeep CJ7 with mechanical clutch linkages.  My stock
pressure plate said Borg on it and was spring loaded.  (Borg Warner
likely to match the T5 tranny)

I tried one of those 'centerforce' pressure plate ones during my frame
up rebuild.  That was a mistake.

The centerforce style required very close to 100 lb pressure on the
clutch pedal to hold down.  My wife had to pull up on the steering wheel
to do it.

I ended up pulling it apart and putting the old spring pressure plate
back in.  The pedal now drops with 5 or 10 max pounds pressure.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> OK, so I toasted the clutch in my Stude last weekend.  Was going to have
> to come apart sooner or later anyway as the throwout bearing was
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Bill - 30 Oct 2004 20:17 GMT
>Do pressure plates wear out from
>use, or do the springs get weaker over time even if the clutch is not
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>main seal (well, and thoroughly testing the throttle response of my new
>AFB.)

Springs are bound to lose tension over time. Heat cycles probably
accellerate this.
What kind of "foot pressure" does it take now? If it seems reasonably
firm, you're probably OK. But your driving style has a lot to do with it.
If you floor it a lot, you probably want new springs. No sense burning up
a new disc.
 
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