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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / November 2004

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Finding Electrical Drain

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Brent - 12 Nov 2004 18:59 GMT
I'm trying to help my son, who is about 1000 miles away, find an electrical
gremlin in his '90 Talon. (I know, I know, what was he thinking?)
Symptoms:
When he stops the car and leaves it idle for, say 8 hours, he comes back to
a flat battery.  If he disconnects the battery when he leaves, the battery
is fine upon his return.
Voltmeter is reading fine while running (13.5 to 14.8 depending on rpms).
New alternator, battery is allegedly good.
I'm assuming something must be grounding out?

Its been suggested that he hook a test light between the battery terminal
(Which one?) and the battery lead, and pull fuses until it goes out, which
will tell him that's the circuit.  Then, where does he go?
Thanks for any and all help.
Brent
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Mark - 12 Nov 2004 19:12 GMT
>Its been suggested that he hook a test light between the battery terminal
>(Which one?) and the battery lead, and pull fuses until it goes out, which
>will tell him that's the circuit.

The positive (+) one.

>Then, where does he go?

Then he has the joy of chasing down and disconnecting each item in that
circuit. Bulbs are easy, just unplug them. Other items may be more difficult.
Good luck.

I marched for peace, right along with the rest of the Division.
gtoed - 13 Nov 2004 03:22 GMT
you put the test light between the negative cable and the battery.make sure
the doors are closed,everything turned off and have someone watching the
test light,go in the car,close the door and pull each fuse,one at a time
and when the light goes off that is the problem circuit
Bill - 12 Nov 2004 20:47 GMT
>Its been suggested that he hook a test light between the battery terminal
>(Which one?) and the battery lead, and pull fuses until it goes out, which
>will tell him that's the circuit.  

Either one will do the job, since it just completes a series circuit.
Tell him to use a LOW WATTAGE bulb, like a side marker or dash light bulb
if possible. It's "possible" the circuit doesn't draw enough current to
light a higer wattage lamp, but still enough to discharge the battery
given enough time.

Then, where does he go?
Isolating the circuit is the first thing. When that's done, you have to
figure out what specific componant is the culprit.

Somethings to check-
Possible trunk or glove box light not going out when it should. If he
can't get to checking the circuit immediately, he can at least temporarily
remove those bulbs. They tend to be a very common culprit, since they are
out of sight, out of mind!
Does he have any electrical componants that no longer work?
Example- I had a friend with a 70's era Chevy that had a bad clock (the
old analog kind). It had quitworking, but was drawing enough current to
discharge the battery overnight.
Another caveat- When he is checking the interior light circuit, make sure
he has the door closed;-)
Junqueboi - 12 Nov 2004 22:17 GMT
I'd be willing to bet it's some sort of sticking relay.  I'd lean away from
a small wattage bulb like a glove box light since I've left mine open for
two days before...it wasn't drawing enough current to drain the battery;
the starter whizzed over as normal (turning over a 400 Pontiac at that).

I've seen several pop-up headlight motors flake out & run batteries down
before.  I'd do the test-light thing while removing fuses...you'll find
the prob.

Good luck,
Joel
Brent - 15 Nov 2004 12:23 GMT
Guys.
Thanks for all the good suggestions.  As a matter of fact, Junqueboi, his
headlamp popups are NOT working. I'll get that message to him.
Brent
> I'd be willing to bet it's some sort of sticking relay.  I'd lean away from
> a small wattage bulb like a glove box light since I've left mine open for
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> Good luck,
> Joel
hemyd - 14 Nov 2004 10:02 GMT
> I'm trying to help my son, who is about 1000 miles away, find an electrical
> gremlin in his '90 Talon. (I know, I know, what was he thinking?)
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> Brent
> .

I'd pull each fuse out, one at a time, and connect an amp meter (or a
multimeter set on the 'amp' range) across the terminals of that fuse. Do
that with all electrical devices, such as interior light, wipers, brake
lights, radio, etc. etc. switched off. If the amp meter shows a current
between any of the fuse terminals, then I'd try to find out what device that
particular fuse is for, if it is supposed to be drawing current, and how
much current it is supposed to be drawing. Some devices such as a clock may
draw a few milliamps of current, but anything like an amp or more is very
suss.

Henry.
burt squareman - 14 Nov 2004 15:28 GMT
> I'm trying to help my son, who is about 1000 miles away, find an electrical
> gremlin in his '90 Talon. (I know, I know, what was he thinking?)
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> (Which one?) and the battery lead, and pull fuses until it goes out, which
> will tell him that's the circuit.  Then, where does he go?

Go buy two small male plugs, then jump the culprit fuse terminal to an
equal amp accessories fuse terminal.   (Another words, rig so that
circuit is open when key is out, temporarily.)
 
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