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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2004Why did this fix work?
One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a stronger anti-freeze solution into the cooling system. I know why it worked. Can anyone guess the reason? > One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, > Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a > stronger anti-freeze solution into the cooling system. I know why it > worked. Can anyone guess the reason? Water in the cooling system was getting slushy and the drag on the water pump was too much for the starter? nate  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >> One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, >> Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > nate That was my first thought, but if it was that slushy how'd he drain it enough to replace any appreciable amount? Now I'm thinking his story is pure BS. Bob >> One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, >> Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Water in the cooling system was getting slushy and the drag on the water > pump was too much for the starter? Unfortunately the OP provided no detail, so we can't even guess. What did he mean by "would not start"? 1) Would not crank? 2) Cranked too slowly? 3) Cranked fine, but would not fire? 4) Fired but would not keep running? Pretty important to know. SignatureTeGGeR? TeGGer® wrote: > >> One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, > >> Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Unfortunately the OP provided no detail, so we can't even guess. Don't you think he just put hot coolant in that cold engine and it warmet it up enough? > What did he mean by "would not start"? > 1) Would not crank? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pretty important to know. >One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, >Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a >stronger anti-freeze solution into the cooling system. I know why it >worked. Can anyone guess the reason? I think it was a coincidence. You cranked the battery, which caused internal heat. You paused did your any freeze thing, might even warmed up outside more, and when you cranked again the battery had a little more juice to fire things up. How's that for a guess.... :) later, tom @ www.CarFleaMarket.com >>One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, >>Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a >>stronger anti-freeze solution into the cooling system. I know why it >>worked. Can anyone guess the reason? >I think it was a coincidence. You cranked the battery, which caused >internal heat. You paused did your any freeze thing, might even >warmed up outside more, and when you cranked again the battery had a >little more juice to fire things up. >How's that for a guess.... >:) How this: the thermostat was stuck open and the engine couldn't warm up. Increasing the strength of the coolant reduced it's cooling efficiency. Then next summer the car overheated and the engine siezed up. >>>One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, >>>Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Then next summer the car overheated and the engine siezed up. There is always a person that finds the cloud associated with the silver lining. ;) later, tom @ www.CarFleaMarket.com > One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, > Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a > stronger anti-freeze solution into the cooling system. I know why it > worked. Can anyone guess the reason? The stronger anti-freeze further drops the cold sensor readings. >> One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, >> Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a >> stronger anti-freeze solution into the cooling system. I know why it >> worked. Can anyone guess the reason? > >The stronger anti-freeze further drops the cold sensor readings. Has someone developed a new law of physics??? -- Elbridge Gerry, of Massachusetts: "What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789 I wrote: > One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in Ontario, > Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? Putting a > stronger anti-freeze solution into the cooling system. I know why it > worked. Can anyone guess the reason? Further information: The vehicle in question was an 82 Mazda B2000, so it did not have fuel injection. By "would not start" I meant it cranked fine but would not fire. The anti-freeze I put in had been stored in an unheated garage, so was no warmer than the coolant already in the engine. Outside air temp was about 0 Fahrenheit. When I removed the rad cap to check the coolant there was no sign of freezing, but its strength as measured with my a-f checker showed it should be good to about 0 - 5 Fahrenheit. The effect was immediate: it would not start - I drained some coolant and put in anti-freeze - it started right away. Here's a hint: The fuel system was not stock. > in Ontario, Canada, my Maza pickup truck would not start. The fix? > Putting a stronger anti-freeze solution into the cooling system. I > know why it worked. Can anyone guess the reason? I can guess: Mel Lastman caught wind of you going online with a handle that mimicked his obnoxious "Nooooobody!" commercials and flamed you. Some of the heat warmed up your POS Mazda and it started. >I wrote: >> One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Here's a hint: The fuel system was not stock. co?in?ci?dence Pronunciation: kO-'in(t)-s&-d&n(t)s, -s&-"den(t)s Function: noun 1 : the act or condition of coinciding : CORRESPONDENCE 2 : the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection; also : any of these occurrences >>I wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > 2 : the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but > seem to have some connection; also : any of these occurrences Its not a result uless you can duplicate it a few more times, otherwise pure 'luck' can't be ruled out. > I wrote: > > One morning in the winter, several years ago when I lived in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Here's a hint: The fuel system was not stock. You didn't say you added antifreeze to the radiator. Is that a wankel engine with the antifreeze fed cold start injector? > You didn't say you added antifreeze to the radiator. > Is that a wankel engine with the antifreeze fed cold > start injector? I did add antifreeze to the rad. Good guess, but it was not a wankel, and didn't have a cold start injector. Here's another clue: The gasoline tank was bone dry (had been since I got the truck) but the truck was not out of fuel. > > You didn't say you added antifreeze to the radiator. > > Is that a wankel engine with the antifreeze fed cold [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > gasoline tank was bone dry (had been since I got the truck) but the > truck was not out of fuel. Based on how long you're dragging this out, here's the response I suspect you're looking for: D00000D!!! Yer so clever it's just sick!!!! God hisself couldn't have fixed it, but you did! 2 RAD! Now, would you either spill what the problem was, or shuddup with the self-tooting horn already? SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html> for full details. >> > You didn't say you added antifreeze to the radiator. >> > Is that a wankel engine with the antifreeze fed cold [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Now, would you either spill what the problem was, or shuddup with the > self-tooting horn already? I agree, spill the beans or shut up. I still believe it was nothing more than a coincidence. Just because it started after he added antifreeze doesn't prove anything. Bob > >> > You didn't say you added antifreeze to the radiator. > >> > Is that a wankel engine with the antifreeze fed cold [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > doesn't prove anything. > Bob It just means his battery recovered some from the heat it generated when it failed to start the first time. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > You didn't say you added antifreeze to the radiator. > > Is that a wankel engine with the antifreeze fed cold [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > gasoline tank was bone dry (had been since I got the truck) but the > truck was not out of fuel. Then I'd guess it's a converted gaseous fueled engine with a system utilizing a coolant level or temperature start/run lockout. > > > You didn't say you added antifreeze to the radiator. > > > Is that a wankel engine with the antifreeze fed cold [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Then I'd guess it's a converted gaseous fueled engine with a > system utilizing a coolant level or temperature start/run lockout. Or perhaps an alcohol fueled engine icing a "coolant warmed" carb. > Then I'd guess it's a converted gaseous fueled engine with a > system utilizing a coolant level or temperature start/run lockout. It was a propane-fueled engine. Like most automotive propane systems, it had an evaporator to convert the liquid fuel from the tank to gaseous fuel for the engine. The propane, in changing to a gas, has to absorb heat from somewhere. In this case, that somewhere was the engine's coolant. There were hoses that carried the coolant in and out of the evaporator. When it wouldn't start, I noticed frost on the evaporator and the hoses where they attached to it. When I took a hose off to look inside, I saw the evaporator was full of slushy ice, though the coolant in the rad was pure liquid. Because there was not enough antifreeze in the coolant, the propane was freezing it. This blocked the flow of coolant, and ( likely) caused the moisture in the area of the expansion orifice (not necessarily the correct technical term) to freeze, blocking the supply of fuel. After I added the additional anti-freeze, the coolant was able to dissolve the ice in the evaporator, things operated as expected, and the truck started. ( The ice in the evaporator may have melted some while I was setting up to add the additional anti-freeze, but would have most likely just formed again had I waited and tried to start it again without adding more.) At the time I thought it was quite unusual for this to happen, but I've since found out this is a relatively common occurence with propane engines. >> Then I'd guess it's a converted gaseous fueled engine with a >> system utilizing a coolant level or temperature start/run lockout. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I've since found out this is a relatively common occurence with > propane engines. And how do you figure the antifreeze you put into the radiator wound up in the evaporator? Since the engine wasn't running that antifreeze stayed in the radiator until the engine was started. It was just a coincidence. Bob > And how do you figure the antifreeze you put into the radiator wound > up in the evaporator? Mixing of the new anti-freeze with the existing coolant. Possibly helped by some further melting of the slushy ice in the evaporator while I drained the rad and added the antifreeze. But the dope was not going to buy it when I said the change of antifreeze warmed it up some.What a putz! And by the time he added antifreeze the sun same up too. > But the dope was not going to buy it when I said the change of > antifreeze warmed it up some.What a putz! > And by the time he added antifreeze the sun same up too. Mixing antifreeze and water ALSO releases heat (try pouring a half gallon of antifreeze in a half gallon of water at room temperature, then feel the container holding the mixture, or stick a thermometer in it). > I did add antifreeze to the rad. Good guess, but it was not a wankel, > and didn't have a cold start injector. Here's another clue: The > gasoline tank was bone dry (had been since I got the truck) but the > truck was not out of fuel. The new alcohol based antifreeze, a leaky motor help ignite the fuel. The new antifreeze spilled onto some electrical part and brought it to life. The new antifreeze help to open the carb for more fuel and air. The new sealing antifreeze help seal cylinder compression. The new antifreeze help unfroze the carb. The new antifreeze has an essential nutrient, filled with vitamins C, A, R, and B. I give up, what IS IT??? |
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