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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2004

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Change oil ever *10,000* miles on my 2001 Audi A6???

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AudiBuyer - 21 Dec 2004 14:18 GMT
Just bought this beautiful used Audi A6.  I love it!!!

I was surprised to read in the manual, though, that they recommend oil
changes every 10,000 miles.  I am so used to doing it every 3000 miles.
Curious what people's thoughts are.

Also, I recall a great website regarding all things motor oil.  Can
someone post the URL?
Daniel J. Stern - 21 Dec 2004 16:02 GMT
> Just bought this beautiful used Audi A6.  I love it!!!
>
> I was surprised to read in the manual, though, that they recommend oil
> changes every 10,000 miles.  I am so used to doing it every 3000 miles.
> Curious what people's thoughts are.

In Europe, they look upon the 5000km oil change as another example of
American waste. 16,000km oil changes are rather normal there. Of course,
they also have the oils to support it. So do we, but you won't find 'em on
the shelf at Wal-Mart, and they don't cost $2/qt.

> Also, I recall a great website regarding all things motor oil.  Can
> someone post the URL?

www.bobistheoilguy.com
Byron - 21 Dec 2004 21:17 GMT
> Of course, they also have the oils to support it.
> So do we, but you won't find 'em on the shelf at
> Wal-Mart, and they don't cost $2/qt.

Actually I buy Mobil 1 at Wal-Mart.  $19.96 for a
single 5 quart container.
Thomas Tornblom - 22 Dec 2004 08:44 GMT
>  > Of course, they also have the oils to support it.
>  > So do we, but you won't find 'em on the shelf at
>  > Wal-Mart, and they don't cost $2/qt.
>
> Actually I buy Mobil 1 at Wal-Mart.  $19.96 for a
> single 5 quart container.

That is not the same as Euro Mobil-1, where currently you're looking
at paying about 20 bux per liter, with the current dollar to euro rate.

The long-life oil they filled my car with yesterday was slightly short
of $25 per liter (~quart), and it takes 5.3 liters, or $130 for just
the oil :-/

Thomas
Huw - 22 Dec 2004 13:52 GMT
>>  > Of course, they also have the oils to support it.
>>  > So do we, but you won't find 'em on the shelf at
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> of $25 per liter (~quart), and it takes 5.3 liters, or $130 for just
> the oil :-/

That stuff is probably Castrol Longlife II oil which meets 506.01 or similar
specification. Without looking it up, I remember there being an unique '6'
in the spec. at any rate.

Huw
James - 21 Dec 2004 23:31 GMT
> > Just bought this beautiful used Audi A6.  I love it!!!
> >
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> they also have the oils to support it. So do we, but you won't find 'em on
> the shelf at Wal-Mart, and they don't cost $2/qt.

You can find Mobil 1 on the shelf at Wal-Mart.  Mobil 1 is a "REAL" Full
Synthetic oil made from natural gas.   Some synthetic oils are not "real"
synthetic, they are made from petroleum base.
KG - 22 Dec 2004 13:52 GMT
Look for Mobil 1 0-40 European oil, yes you can find it at some Walmarts I have.  But be careful
only some newer engine are designed for it's use.

>> Just bought this beautiful used Audi A6.  I love it!!!
>>
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>
>www.bobistheoilguy.com

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Death - 26 Dec 2004 07:29 GMT
>> Just bought this beautiful used Audi A6.  I love it!!!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> www.bobistheoilguy.com

You can use either VW 500 00 or VW 501 01 spec oil.

You can subscribe to the official techinfo website located here
http://erwin.audi.de, do be aware that navigation leaves much to be
desired and you pay for each document downloaded.

Garner Miller - 21 Dec 2004 20:37 GMT
> I was surprised to read in the manual, though, that they recommend oil
> changes every 10,000 miles.  I am so used to doing it every 3000 miles.
> Curious what people's thoughts are.

I've never changed my oil ever 3000 miles, nor have I ever owned a car
that recommended it in its owner's manual.  The only people that think
I should do 3000-mile oil changes are the ones selling the oil change
service.  See their motivation?

My PT Cruiser recommends a 7500-mile oil change interval for normal
driving.  That's what I do.  The Turbo version of that car specifies a
5000-mile interval -- turbocharged cars will typically have a shorter
oil interval.  But it's all in the manual.

If you fit the manual's description of "severe duty," it will usually
specify a shorter interval.

In short, listen to the manual, not the oil salesman.

Signature

Garner R. Miller
Clifton Park, NY =USA=

James C. Reeves - 22 Dec 2004 00:09 GMT
> [SNIP]
> My PT Cruiser recommends a 7500-mile oil change interval for normal
> driving.  That's what I do.  The Turbo version of that car specifies a
> 5000-mile interval -- turbocharged cars will typically have a shorter
> oil interval.  But it's all in the manual.

Better read Chrysler's definitions of "normal" vs. "severe"

> If you fit the manual's description of "severe duty," it will usually
> specify a shorter interval.

Yes and that is usually 3000-3850 miles.

> In short, listen to the manual, not the oil salesman.
Thomas Tornblom - 21 Dec 2004 23:45 GMT
> Just bought this beautiful used Audi A6.  I love it!!!
>
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> Also, I recall a great website regarding all things motor oil.  Can
> someone post the URL?

I had my 2001 A6 2.5 tdi serviced today. I'm doing the long life
service, which means that the engine management systems tell me when
to change oil. The previous oil change was 25000 km, or 15kmi +. That
requires specially approved 0W-30 oil. Depending on driving habits it
may run up to 30000 km between changes. Audi has some models that can
run up to 50000 km between changes.

10kmi is old stuff here in europe. Has been like that for at least ten
years.

3kmi sounds like the 60:s to me

Cheers,
Thomas (in Sweden)
Huw - 21 Dec 2004 23:50 GMT
> Just bought this beautiful used Audi A6.  I love it!!!
>
> I was surprised to read in the manual, though, that they recommend oil
> changes every 10,000 miles.  I am so used to doing it every 3000 miles.
> Curious what people's thoughts are.

You must be kidding? Every 10,000 miles? Surely not?
Most of their engines now run up to 20,000 miles with diesels up to 30,000.
So why would you even consider less than 10,000 miles between oil changes?

Huw
Death - 26 Dec 2004 07:16 GMT
>> Just bought this beautiful used Audi A6.  I love it!!!
>>
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>
> Huw

I own a '03 VW TDI and the oil change is at 5k, at 10k, then at every
10k (in miles). The owner's manual also says to use a full synthetic oil
that meets the VW 505 specification.

If I don't see the words "meets VW 505 specification", I don't buy it. I
could care less about SAE ratings.. its the VW specs that matter most.
rudyxhiebert@yahoo.com - 26 Dec 2004 14:42 GMT
What about the European SAE 5W-40 and ACEA? "Full Synthetic" is
probably not and not necessarilly 100%.
Huw - 26 Dec 2004 16:19 GMT
>>> Just bought this beautiful used Audi A6.  I love it!!!
>>>
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> 10k (in miles). The owner's manual also says to use a full synthetic oil
> that meets the VW 505 specification.

If you elect to use fixed 10,000 mile services or your car is not fitted
with the flexible system then some 505 or 503 spec oils are suitable.
As far as I know, if you had the latest PD engine with flexible service
intervals up to 30,000 miles for some engines, then you would need 506.01
oil such as Castrol LonglifeII oil.

> If I don't see the words "meets VW 505 specification", I don't buy it. I
> could care less about SAE ratings.. its the VW specs that matter most.

I agree with you in principle except in the rather large detail that the SAE
only produce standards for viscosity which is distinct from performance
standards.

Huw
Death - 31 Dec 2004 03:05 GMT
snipped earlier stuff

>> I own a '03 VW TDI and the oil change is at 5k, at 10k, then at every
>> 10k (in miles). The owner's manual also says to use a full synthetic
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>
> Huw

Mine doesn't have the FSS setup. When I initially bought this vehicle I
was doing a 60 mile round trip commute, 98% freeway driving. Since I'm
closer to work now and the commute is 10 miles round trip.. I don't know
if I'll keep to the 10K oil changes since I'm doing mostly city
driving now.
 
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