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Mosfet heating Up in DC DC converter

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praveen - 22 Dec 2004 08:33 GMT
Hello,
I have a problem in power supply which i have designed. I have
designed a dual supply of 3.3V and 5.4V from 30 V using semtech
SC2442H DC DC converter and Infineon BS0604NS2 Mosfet.
The problem is that mosfet is getting heated up a lot, it goes to
about 100 C.
I have calculated the power, it turn to be 0.72 W and the Mosfet can
handle upto 2 W. Can some one point why is the mosfet getting
heated???Because of this the inductor and capacitor near it is also
getting heated up.
DC DC converter operating frequency is 250 KHz.

Thanks and regards
Praveen
Nospam - 22 Dec 2004 08:50 GMT
> Hello,
> I have a problem in power supply which i have designed. I have
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks and regards
> Praveen

And the connection with Satellite's and GPS is ?
Rheilly Phoull - 22 Dec 2004 12:26 GMT
> > Hello,
> > I have a problem in power supply which i have designed. I have
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> And the connection with Satellite's and GPS is ?

It may have escaped your attention that sometime things are crossposted, for
example I am reading your post in the NG 'sci.electronics.design', which
would seem to be appropriate ??

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Regards ..... Rheilly Phoull
Nospam - 22 Dec 2004 13:23 GMT
> > > Hello,
> > > I have a problem in power supply which i have designed. I have
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> --
> Regards ..... Rheilly Phoull

Yes I agree with you, but I still ask the question, what is the relevance to
Satellite's and GPS.?
All the replies are also coming to sci.geo.satellite-nav group, just because
the original person could not be bothered to check what groups he (she) was
sending to, and all the people replying just reply without checking where
their replies are going to.
Rheilly Phoull - 22 Dec 2004 13:29 GMT
> > > > Hello,
> > > > I have a problem in power supply which i have designed. I have
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> sending to, and all the people replying just reply without checking where
> their replies are going to.

Ahh, such is human nature. Better to 'bend with the flow' you are never
going to change this sort of thing (worst luck), theres always the old
killfile thingy :-)

Cheers.... R.P
clifto - 22 Dec 2004 21:53 GMT
> "praveen" <praveenkumar1979@rediffmail.com> wrote...
>> I have calculated the power, it turn to be 0.72 W and the Mosfet can
>> handle upto 2 W. Can some one point why is the mosfet getting
>> heated???
>
> And the connection with Satellite's and GPS is ?

To the original idiot crossposter:

Get a 13.2V power source such as a car battery. Get a 240 ohm, 1 watt
resistor. Connect the resistor across the power source (0.72 W) and
hold the resistor in your hand for one hour. Come back and report
your findings.

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Meindert Sprang - 22 Dec 2004 08:59 GMT
> Hello,
> I have a problem in power supply which i have designed. I have
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I have calculated the power, it turn to be 0.72 W and the Mosfet can
> handle upto 2 W.

This is a nice misunderstanding. The fact that your mosfet can handle 2 W
does not mean that it does not heat up at 0,7W. Check the thermal resistance
from the datasheet, multiply that with your power (0,72W) and this gives you
the temperature rise above ambient. If that gives you 100C, the circuit is
ok and you just need to cool the mosfet. If the calculated rise is lower,
you either do not have sufficient drive voltage to the gate (mosfet not
completely on) or you have an unwanted oscillation at a high frequence which
can also produce a lot of dissipation.

Meindert
Tony Williams - 22 Dec 2004 12:19 GMT
> I have a problem in power supply which i have designed. I have
> designed a dual supply of 3.3V and 5.4V from 30 V using semtech
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> capacitor near it is also getting heated up. DC DC converter
> operating frequency is 250 KHz.

Did your calculations allow for the switching losses?

I've just been simulating a simple 1300 Hz PWM switch
where the simulation shows that the MOSFETs dissipate
about 2.5W each.  But only 1.5W of that is the "dc"
loss, another 1W comes from the switching losses. In
fact the simulation shows a peak of 160 V*I during
each on/off edge.

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Christopher Green - 23 Dec 2004 08:14 GMT
>Hello,
>I have a problem in power supply which i have designed. I have
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Thanks and regards
>Praveen

Sounds like inadequate heat sinking. This is an SO-8 dual MOSFET, and
it doesn't have real good thermal properties to begin with. See
Infineon's application note on thermal considerations with their SO-8
devices:
http://www.infineon.com/cmc_upload/documents/086/819/ThermalPackageConsideration
-DPAK-SO-8.pdf


If you are using the device without any provision for heat sinking,
you're going to see it run something close to 80K over ambient at 0.72
W. You need a low-thermal-resistance path to several square
centimeters of copper just to get the thermal resistance down to 60K/W
or so. If this isn't feasible, you need something in a different
package for which you can more readily arrange a proper heat sink.

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Chris Green

Mike F - 24 Dec 2004 00:13 GMT
Another one that will cause it to overheat is if the driver
circuit for the MOSFET either has too slow a rise/fall time
or does not drive it completely on or off.  Too much time
in the linear region causes lots of heat problems too.

mikey

> >Hello,
> >I have a problem in power supply which i have designed. I have
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Infineon's application note on thermal considerations with their SO-8
> devices:

http://www.infineon.com/cmc_upload/documents/086/819/ThermalPackageConsideration
-DPAK-SO-8.pdf


> If you are using the device without any provision for heat sinking,
> you're going to see it run something close to 80K over ambient at 0.72
> W. You need a low-thermal-resistance path to several square
> centimeters of copper just to get the thermal resistance down to 60K/W
> or so. If this isn't feasible, you need something in a different
> package for which you can more readily arrange a proper heat sink.
Christopher Green - 24 Dec 2004 01:46 GMT
Quite so. Just that it is not strictly necessary to explain his
situation. His 100C temperature is consistent with his calculated 0.72W
dissipation and something around 100K/W thermal resistance. An SO-8
with no heat sink will do that without any further design flaws.
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