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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / February 2005

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Should I Purchase A Rebuilt Engine Or Repair Existing One?

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Steven C - 01 Feb 2005 18:31 GMT
I have a 1995 Isuzu Trooper with nearly 200,000 miles on it.  Within
the last three years, I've replaced the water pump, timing belt, timing
belt tensioner, and those pesky spark plug well valve cover O-rings
that tend to leak like a sieve and flood the spark plug chamber.  Per
the latter, I had these O-rings replaced 18 months ago, but they're
leaking again.  Since this is a $700 repair job (two quotes), I'm
wondering if, at this stage, I should consider getting a rebuilt
engine.  The rings appear to be goners, since we envelop fellow church
goers in a plume of blue smoke when pulling into the church parking lot
;).

My question is: Would it be cost-effective and wise to go ahead and
bite the bullet for a complete overhaul for this engine (or a rebuilt
engine), vs. just doing the $800.00 repair for now?  The body integrity
of the car is good, the transmission seems fine, paint is not too bad,
and we *really* want to stay out of debt.  Also, would an engine from a
later model fit the bolt pattern of the existing hardware?  The reason
I ask this is because, at 175hp, this engine is considerably
underpowered for this car's weight, and later models (1996,97?) boosted
this to 195 I think.

Ideas please?

Thanks!
Steven
ed - 01 Feb 2005 18:51 GMT
200K on a Trooper? Well, if your head gaskets aren't shot, they will be,
from the people I know who own them.
I'd replace it with a rebuilt from a "reliable" source. Note "reliable".
scott_z500@my-deja.com - 02 Feb 2005 15:06 GMT
If you want to keep the vehicle, get a Jasper rebuilt put in it.
Expensive, but worth it.
Rex B - 02 Feb 2005 18:27 GMT
Check the Yellow Pages for a Japanese engine specialist that sells JDM
engines. These are relatively low-mileage 'pulls' from Japan. They
should be able to source a later engine with more power, and install it
for a reasonable price.

> I have a 1995 Isuzu Trooper with nearly 200,000 miles on it.  Within
> the last three years, I've replaced the water pump, timing belt, timing
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> Thanks!
> Steven
Ted Mittelstaedt - 05 Feb 2005 11:24 GMT
> I have a 1995 Isuzu Trooper with nearly 200,000 miles on it.  Within
> the last three years, I've replaced the water pump, timing belt, timing
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> bite the bullet for a complete overhaul for this engine (or a rebuilt
> engine), vs. just doing the $800.00 repair for now?

I've gone the rebuilt route and it is a really huge gamble.  I don't
regret it - but I managed to win.  If you win, this route is a really
good way to get an excellent quality car for really cheap.  But be
aware that it's high reward, but high risk too.  There's no free
lunch.

For starters, for your Trooper to even be a candidate the following
MUST be true:

1) Immaculate interior and exterior, glossy paint, no rust, no accidents,
no bent fenders, etc. etc.

2) Suspension, wheels, tires, etc. still in good shape.

3) Transmission still in good shape.  If it's never been rebuilt in the
history of the vehicle, assume that it will be during the life of the
new engine.

4) You must have at LEAST $5K in the bank, or accessible via
credit.  Not that your going to spend this much - but you need it
just in case.

5) You must be intending to own this car at least another 10
years.  These kinds of cars have NO resale value beyond book
value - if a buyer has enough money to pay for a 2-3 year old
rebuilt engine, he has enough money to buy a junker with a
blown engine and get a brand new rebuild.

There are people who get tired of staring at the same interior
of a car for 20 years.  Make sure your not one of them.

6) You must be willing to self-insure.  What I mean here is not
liability but property.  Your insurance company is going to regard
this vehicle as a 10 year old 200K mile car with a book value of
basically nothing.  You are going to regard this car as a 10 year old
0 mile car with a book value of $3-4K.  Thus, any kind of
comprehensive insurance you are carrying on this vehicle will be
worthless.

A friend of mine had at one time a Geo which he loved, and
which met criteria 1-4.  His engine blew.  Against my advice
he went the rebuilt engine route.  6 months later he rear-ended
a semi truck and the car was totaled.  He was -extremely-
lucky though, his car insurance was though Grange and he
has had the same insurance agent all his life, never had an
accident before, and the agent
arrainged for the book value of the car to be inflated enough
to cover his cost on the engine.  He ended up with enough
money to pay for his cost on the engine - so he was even
after a fashion, and the insurance company sold the engine
(and probably took a loss on the deal, but as they had
more than made it up previously I think they counted it
off as goodwill)

If you still want to go for it, then say so and I'll post some
advice on how to go about getting a good rebuild in the vehicle.

Ted
 
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