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mtraynor - 04 Feb 2005 15:02 GMT
Is there a speed limiter or governor that is available for a 02 VW Golf?
Daniel J. Stern - 04 Feb 2005 15:15 GMT
> Is there a speed limiter or governor that is available for a 02 VW Golf?

Put your kid/wife/whatever through a *real* driver training program (not
that useless sh.t from AAA) and you won't have to worry about it.
Scott en Aztl?n - 05 Feb 2005 04:50 GMT
>> Is there a speed limiter or governor that is available for a 02 VW Golf?
>
>Put your kid/wife/whatever through a *real* driver training program (not
>that useless sh.t from AAA) and you won't have to worry about it.

All the driver training in the world won't help Junior exercise good
judgement. What I did was install a GPS-based tracking device in the
car that my son is allowed to drive. It tells me where he goes, and
how fast. You'd be amazed how well teens drive when they know that
dear old Dad is watching over their shoulder as they drive. ;)

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Ted Mittelstaedt - 05 Feb 2005 10:23 GMT
> >> Is there a speed limiter or governor that is available for a 02 VW Golf?
> >
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> how fast. You'd be amazed how well teens drive when they know that
> dear old Dad is watching over their shoulder as they drive. ;)

Gee you did it the hard way.  What you should have done is bought
a nice GPS device for you to use for yourself in your own car, then
hid it a few times in his car.  Then he never would know if the
thing was hidden in the car or not, thus good deterrence, and you
would get to use it in your car.

How do you know he hasn't parked the GPS at his friends house on
an AC adapter?  That's what I'd do.  Of course, I never listened to
my parents at that age either.  I actually bought and owned a motorcycle
for 2 years (got insurance on it and all that) when living with them,
and kept it hidden well enough so they never knew I had it.

It gives my parents no end of delight to tell me to look forward to
my kids doing the same thing to me when they get older, let me
tell you. :-)

Ted
Scott en Aztl?n - 05 Feb 2005 17:50 GMT
>How do you know he hasn't parked the GPS at his friends house on
>an AC adapter?  That's what I'd do.

You'd have a lot of fun digging the little black box out from under
the dashboard (assuming you knew where it was in the first place).
You'd have even more fun reinstalling it after your little soiree.

Of course, tampering with the device in any way is gounds for instant
revocation of your driving privileges, so here's hoping you did an
absolutely perfect installation job. ;)

>Of course, I never listened to
>my parents at that age either.  I actually bought and owned a motorcycle
>for 2 years (got insurance on it and all that) when living with them,
>and kept it hidden well enough so they never knew I had it.

That's fine. In fact, I prefer it. Because you bought it with YOUR
money and paid YOUR money for gas and YOUR money for insurance, you
were a hell of a lot more careful. Contrast this to the kids who get a
brand new M3 from Mommy and Daddy, total it in the first week, and
promptly get a replacement. To these kids, cars (and everything else)
are "easy come, easy go."

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Matthew Russotto - 07 Feb 2005 15:15 GMT
>>How do you know he hasn't parked the GPS at his friends house on
>>an AC adapter?  That's what I'd do.
>
>You'd have a lot of fun digging the little black box out from under
>the dashboard (assuming you knew where it was in the first place).
>You'd have even more fun reinstalling it after your little soiree.

Easier to just cover the antenna.  That's any GPS system's weak point;
it needs to be able to see the sky.
Scott en Aztl?n - 08 Feb 2005 03:30 GMT
>>>How do you know he hasn't parked the GPS at his friends house on
>>>an AC adapter?  That's what I'd do.
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>Easier to just cover the antenna.  That's any GPS system's weak point;
>it needs to be able to see the sky.

Once again, any tampering with the device is grounds for immediate
revocation of driving privileges.

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Matthew Russotto - 08 Feb 2005 16:06 GMT
>>>>How do you know he hasn't parked the GPS at his friends house on
>>>>an AC adapter?  That's what I'd do.
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>Once again, any tampering with the device is grounds for immediate
>revocation of driving privileges.

Only if he's caught.  Anyway, I hate to break this to you, but if your
son hasn't at least tried to figure a way around it, he's going to
grow up into a wuss like Aunt Judy.
Bill the second - 08 Feb 2005 20:47 GMT
>>>>>How do you know he hasn't parked the GPS at his friends house on
>>>>>an AC adapter?  That's what I'd do.
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> son hasn't at least tried to figure a way around it, he's going to
> grow up into a wuss like Aunt Judy.

If he covers the antenna, the distance measured on the GPS won't reconcile
with the mileage on the odometer. Plus if the car suddenly moves 10 miles,
it's obvious.

Then he'd have to toy with the odometer.

Easiest thing to do would be to drive within the agreement.
Matthew Russotto - 09 Feb 2005 21:10 GMT
>>>>>>How do you know he hasn't parked the GPS at his friends house on
>>>>>>an AC adapter?  That's what I'd do.
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>with the mileage on the odometer. Plus if the car suddenly moves 10 miles,
>it's obvious.

Tampering with the odometer is doable, but a major pain.  There are
other things he could do also.

>Easiest thing to do would be to drive within the agreement.

If he does that, he's headed for Judyness.  Anyone who would put such
a device in a car wouldn't have an idea of "acceptable" driving that
any healthy teenager wouldn't chafe under.
Scott en Aztl?n - 10 Feb 2005 03:54 GMT
>>Easiest thing to do would be to drive within the agreement.
>
>If he does that, he's headed for Judyness.  Anyone who would put such
>a device in a car wouldn't have an idea of "acceptable" driving that
>any healthy teenager wouldn't chafe under.

Your hatred of authority borders on the irrational.

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Matthew Russotto - 10 Feb 2005 20:37 GMT
>>>Easiest thing to do would be to drive within the agreement.
>>
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>
>Your hatred of authority borders on the irrational.

Whatever you say.  But don't blame me when you're old and grey and
going somewhere with your adult son, and he's *shocked*, *shocked* I
say, when he notices you violating the speed limit.
Scott en Aztl?n - 09 Feb 2005 03:09 GMT
>>Once again, any tampering with the device is grounds for immediate
>>revocation of driving privileges.
>
>Only if he's caught.  

Tell me how he wouldn't be.

>Anyway, I hate to break this to you, but if your
>son hasn't at least tried to figure a way around it, he's going to
>grow up into a wuss like Aunt Judy.

Whatever you say. :)

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Matthew Russotto - 09 Feb 2005 21:21 GMT
>>>Once again, any tampering with the device is grounds for immediate
>>>revocation of driving privileges.
>>
>>Only if he's caught.  
>
>Tell me how he wouldn't be.

That's up to him to figure out; it would take a more detailed
examination of the system.  And even if I knew, I wouldn't tell you;
I'm on his side :-)
Scott en Aztl?n - 10 Feb 2005 03:55 GMT
>>>>Once again, any tampering with the device is grounds for immediate
>>>>revocation of driving privileges.
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>
>That's up to him to figure out

Unfortunately for you (but fortunately for me) he's too lazy. :)

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Mike Z. Helm - 09 Feb 2005 00:36 GMT
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:50:49 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
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>Of course, tampering with the device in any way is gounds for instant
>revocation of your driving privileges, so here's hoping you did an
>absolutely perfect installation job. ;)

Reminds me of That '70s Show when Eric took the 'vette.

He had everything put back just perfectly, including the hair over the
ignition switch.

Red was very proud of him and was going to reward him by letting him
drive.  He turns on the car and the radio is blasting some good ol'
classic rock - busted.
Bill the second - 05 Feb 2005 20:37 GMT
>>> Is there a speed limiter or governor that is available for a 02 VW Golf?
>>
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> how fast. You'd be amazed how well teens drive when they know that
> dear old Dad is watching over their shoulder as they drive. ;)

Which system do you use? Is it good for theft tracking, etc? Does it show a
satellite photo of the current position of your car ;-)
Scott en Aztl?n - 05 Feb 2005 22:58 GMT
>> All the driver training in the world won't help Junior exercise good
>> judgement. What I did was install a GPS-based tracking device in the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Which system do you use? Is it good for theft tracking, etc?

It's a system of my own design. How do you think I became so
knowledgeable on the subject in that other thread? ;)

>Does it show a
>satellite photo of the current position of your car ;-)

NFW!!! :) :) :)

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Bill the second - 06 Feb 2005 02:44 GMT
>>> All the driver training in the world won't help Junior exercise good
>>> judgement. What I did was install a GPS-based tracking device in the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> It's a system of my own design. How do you think I became so
> knowledgeable on the subject in that other thread? ;)

Does it have remote access abilities, or does it just store data for you to
retrieve later?

>>Does it show a
>>satellite photo of the current position of your car ;-)
>
> NFW!!! :) :) :)

Does it show a highlighted satellite photo of your car? So you can recognize
what a street looks like.
Scott en Aztl?n - 06 Feb 2005 03:05 GMT
>>>Which system do you use? Is it good for theft tracking, etc?
>>
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>Does it have remote access abilities, or does it just store data for you to
>retrieve later?

It has a cell phone module and uplinks live telemetry.

>Does it show a highlighted satellite photo of your car? So you can recognize
>what a street looks like.

No - that's the one major deficiency in my system.

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Bill the second - 06 Feb 2005 03:52 GMT
>>>>Which system do you use? Is it good for theft tracking, etc?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> No - that's the one major deficiency in my system.

You'll have to rectify that, or at least offset it with a webcam pointed at
the driver's seat, so you can capture pictures of your son picking his nose
while driving to use as blackmail..
Scott en Aztl?n - 06 Feb 2005 19:51 GMT
>>>Does it show a highlighted satellite photo of your car? So you can recognize
>>>what a street looks like.
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>the driver's seat, so you can capture pictures of your son picking his nose
>while driving to use as blackmail..

Actually, I *could* do that. One of the USB ports is used by the GPS,
but I still have one free port for a USB webcam...

Thanks for the suggestion! :)

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Max - 07 Feb 2005 03:10 GMT
Scott en Aztlán wrote:

>>>Is there a speed limiter or governor that is available for a 02 VW Golf?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> how fast. You'd be amazed how well teens drive when they know that
> dear old Dad is watching over their shoulder as they drive. ;)

If my son was not smart enough to take that sucker out of the car, I
would be severely disappointed...

and yeah i drove like a crazy sumbitch (speed wise) when I was young and
well... I still do!
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Bill the second - 07 Feb 2005 12:56 GMT
>>>>Is there a speed limiter or governor that is available for a 02 VW Golf?
>>>
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> If my son was not smart enough to take that sucker out of the car, I would
> be severely disappointed...

And if he does, that's immediate grounds to suspend his driving privileges.
Motorhead Lawyer - 07 Feb 2005 15:38 GMT
Scott en Aztlán wrote:

> >Put your kid/wife/whatever through a *real* driver training program (not
> >that useless sh.t from AAA) and you won't have to worry about it.
>
> All the driver training in the world won't help Junior exercise good
> judgement.

Actually, I think the *right kind* of training will.  Regular readers
like you will know how often I recommend BMW CCA's club training
programs, including the one directed at teens ("Street Survivor").  I
think the young drivers listen to us and are willing to learn from us
because they know, or have seen, what *we* can and do do with our cars.
Some of us autocross; some of us race; some of us modify our cars.
These are all the things *they* want to do, so we get grudging respect
for that.  Then, we don't lecture them or talk down to them.  We treat
them as equals.  We *explain* some of the critical vehicle dynamics
they should always consider.  The very first thing we do is get them in
line in their cars and send them down a braking lane where they
*hammer* the brakes so they either: A) learn to threshold brake or B)
learn what their ABS can do.  Later, with skidpad exercises and
handling maneuvers, we engage them in our enthusiasm for driving
precisely and well.

While it won't (and can't) result in instant good judgment, it goes a
long way.  Hey, if I were a kid (ISTR I actually was - once), given the
choice of learning from a bunch of knowledgeable motorheads with cool
cars and hands-on instruction or a blackboard lecture, some boring
movies, and the prospect of riding around in a 4-door Buick
demonstrator for hours on end, I know what *I'd* choose ...
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C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done both)
Scott en Aztl?n - 08 Feb 2005 03:33 GMT
>> All the driver training in the world won't help Junior exercise good
>> judgement.
>
>Actually, I think the *right kind* of training will.

Not unless you have some magic way of "training" the teenager's brain
to form all those synaptic connections that, according to the
Washington Post article posted to this group, don't become fully
formed until age 25 or so.

>While it won't (and can't) result in instant good judgment, it goes a
>long way.

It certainly wouldn't hurt, but I don't believe it will be enough.

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