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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / February 2005

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Types of idle controllers/sensors?

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Daniel VP - 10 Feb 2005 19:35 GMT
Hi,

I have a '90 Nissan Bluebird and have had trouble with the 'idle air
control valve', according to my Nissan mechanic, where the car had a
high idle and was prone to jerking. This valve was replaced with a
second-hand one and both problems were fixed, until a couple of weeks
later when the jerking reappeared. I decided to look at the other two
controllers/sensors that are located around the same region on the
throttle body, where air comes in for idle. I cleaned one out, it was
filthy, and it consisted of a little plunger, is this the choke??? The
other controller or sensor consists of a smaller plunger which is
spring loaded and sits close to the screw which can be adjusted to
alter the base idle speed, does anyone know what this???

After having cleaned up the mechanism which I think is the choke, the
car now does not come down from high idle when the engine warms
up...have I cleaned away more than I should have? It looks like the
mechanism works using an electromagnet to push the plunger in/out of
that part of the throttle body to reduce/increase air into the system.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Daniel
Professor - 11 Feb 2005 11:50 GMT
Sounds like some sort of cold enrichment aid. Toyota used something
similar. I don't think  cleaning it too much... LOL... is causing your
problem. Is the solenoid working? Is it ever being energized?

Professor
www.telstar-electronics.com

> Hi,
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> Daniel
William R. Watt - 11 Feb 2005 14:15 GMT
I clean the carburettor and linkages on my car with aerosol carb cleaner
every so often. Surprized your mechanic didn't do a cleaning when the part
was replaced. Could it be that a sticking valve burned out a control
solenoid? Just guessing.

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> Any help would be greatly appreciated,
> Daniel

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Toby Cowger - 11 Feb 2005 17:14 GMT
: I have a '90 Nissan Bluebird and have had trouble with the 'idle air
: control valve', according to my Nissan mechanic, where the car had a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
: spring loaded and sits close to the screw which can be adjusted to
: alter the base idle speed, does anyone know what this???

: After having cleaned up the mechanism which I think is the choke, the
: car now does not come down from high idle when the engine warms
: up...have I cleaned away more than I should have? It looks like the
: mechanism works using an electromagnet to push the plunger in/out of
: that part of the throttle body to reduce/increase air into the system.

Daniel, do you happen to know if the Bluebird is similar to a car sold
in the US?  Do you know what engine you have?  VG-30?  Z-24?

Nissans of that era had a high idle for startup (around 2000 rpm)
controlled by a dashpot on the throttle linkage.  It would slowly
heat up and slow the idle down to <1000 rpm.  That and fuel enrichment
by the computer were the only "choke" they had.

The two solenoids you see on your throttle body are for different
purposes.  One of them is turned on when you turn on the air conditioning
or headlights.  The engine needs the extra boost to keep its idle up.
I forget what the other one is for, I'll try to look it up tonight.

To test, get your car warmed up, then turn on the air conditioning.
On mine, I can actually see the rpms rise on the tachometer by about
50.  It definitely should not slow down, or else I'd suspect
that solenoid isn't working.

Your high idle might also by caused by your dashpot malfunctioning.
Or you might have a kink in your throttle cable, or I had a grommet
that came loose and was binding the cable and racing the engine at idle.
 
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