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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2005

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Biodiesel at home?

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stryped@hotmail.com - 29 Mar 2005 14:48 GMT
I have been reading about making biodiesel at home from wast oil at
fast food resteraunts. Is this easy to do? DOes the diesel made run as
good as regular diesel? Will it harm the car/tractor/etc. I burn it in?
Is it economical? I am not an environmental nut but I drive alot and
the price of gas is gettign scarry.
John S. - 29 Mar 2005 15:16 GMT
Don't expect to run around to the local McDonalds and pick up the old
french fry oil and run it in your car.  Issues such as pickup, storage,
filtration, using the right kind of oils & fats,  and possibly having
blend with diesel will all add to the cost of converting "free french
fry oil" to a consistent form that will flow through the small orifices
of a diesel injection system.  Some restaurant fats begin to congeal at
room temperature.  To use those fats you would have to devise some sort
of heating system.

Quoting from the trade organization:  "Biodiesel is made from vegetable
oils and animal fats and most of the cost comes from the market prices
of these materials. In today's market, vegetable oils and animal fats
sell at higher prices than crude petroleum oil protecting our access to
foreign oils."  While they are in the business of promoting commercial
sellers of biodiesel, they make the point that biodiesel, like any
other fuel has it's own set of costs.

Here's some more information from that trade group on using biodiesel
fuels on passenger cars.

http://www.biodiesel.org/markets/pas/
Ted Mittelstaedt - 30 Mar 2005 06:12 GMT
> Don't expect to run around to the local McDonalds and pick up the old
> french fry oil and run it in your car.  Issues such as pickup, storage,
> filtration, using the right kind of oils & fats,  and possibly having

You can't use it in your car but you can use it for burning in an oil
heater in your garage in the winter.

Ted
Kevin Bottorff - 30 Mar 2005 23:38 GMT
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in news:newscache$dnf5ei
$0i22$1@news.ipinc.net:

>> Don't expect to run around to the local McDonalds and pick up the old
>> french fry oil and run it in your car.  Issues such as pickup, storage,
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>
> Ted

yes there are a few people using it in there pkups around here. It can be
done if you have a source of used veg oil and the time, to produce a
small amount. There are people selling the plans for it. If I remember it
is about half the cost as pump fuel. I don`t know what the problems are
if your caught at it, since no road tax has been paid.  KB

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SAMMMMM - 31 Mar 2005 04:04 GMT
it cost me about 50 cents a gallon to produce. i got the feedstock fat free.
my favorite restaurant han a consistant brand and type of veg oil.
once i got the mix right we started burning it in the VW diesel straight.
the only problem we found was that it started to gel around 40 degrees f.
warm weather was no problem.
running about 15 gallons out of a 17 gallon tank worked well.
i used a water tank heater element and a water tank thermostat to heat to
120 deg.f.
dissolve the lye (sodium hydroxide) in methanol and then add it to the
heated,
stirring oil.
agitate for one hour and let it cool.
decant it about a day later. scrape the goo from the bottom and re start.
i made a couple hundred gallons and it ran well.
fun
sam

> "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in news:newscache$dnf5ei
> $0i22$1@news.ipinc.net:
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> 460 in the pkup, 460 on the stand for another pkup
> and one in the shed for a fun project to yet be decided on
Don Stauffer - 29 Mar 2005 15:41 GMT
> I have been reading about making biodiesel at home from wast oil at
> fast food resteraunts. Is this easy to do? DOes the diesel made run as
> good as regular diesel? Will it harm the car/tractor/etc. I burn it in?
> Is it economical? I am not an environmental nut but I drive alot and
> the price of gas is gettign scarry.

Question for those with more knowledge of current fuel standards than I-
does biodiesel sold at pumps meet the same standards and regulations
(federal and state) as petroleum diesel, or is biodiesel allowed
variances of some of them?
 
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